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Woman Accuses Joe Biden Of Sexual Assault
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostClueless as usual.
The point is that we've always believed in the concept. That hasn't changed. But all of a sudden when the Democrat's presumptive presidential candidate faces accusations the Democrats are suddenly abandoning their declaration that all women are to be believed (the logical extension of which is therefore that the man is guilty until proven otherwise). That philosophy as well as demands that Kavanaugh "prove" his innocence were repeatedly expressed by those on the left.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMoreover Biden set the standard which he should naturally follow that
""For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it's been made worse or better over time. But nobody fails to understand that this is like jumping into a cauldron."
So according to Biden himself we should presume that she is telling the truth and that she was sexually assaulted by Biden until it can be proven he didn't. That's a stupid and even dangerous standard but it is the one you guys wanted.
Something or other about "You've made your bed, now lie in it.""Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostSuch a short statement and yet you manage to contradict yourself completely. It is very, very simple, seer. If an assumption can change (and you agree it can) it does not follow that Biden is guilty of sexual assault by his own standard. By his standard we are to listen to this woman starting of with the assumption she is telling the truth. It does not follow logically that if we start with that assumption, we cannot change it. That is the critical part you keep missing. Of course her statement should be evaluated and Biden should be allowed to defend himself. That might change the assumption Biden told us to start of with. You see? Really, really simple.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostCharles, no - how does Biden defend himself if it is she said he said? Doesn't the presumption go to the woman? But I'm not just speaking of Biden but the whole "believe all women" thing."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostAgain, use your logic, seer. The fact that I listen to her with the presumption she is telling the truth does not mean I cannot change that presumption. And it does not even follow logically that I have to believe less in Biden. You guys are fooling around in logical fallacies because you would like to conclude what simply does not follow in this case.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense Charles, if you are assuming the woman to be telling the truth how does Biden defend himself (it was only those two involved)? There should be no assumption, the right thing is to be neutral. And Charles it was not us who started the "believe all women" thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_womenLast edited by rogue06; 03-30-2020, 11:36 AM.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense Charles, if you are assuming the woman to be telling the truth how does Biden defend himself (it was only those two involved)? There should be no assumption, the right thing is to be neutral. And Charles it was not us who started the "believe all women" thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostSo, you still fail to see that starting of with a presumption that someone is telling the truth does not force you to continue to believe so. I wonder why it is so hard for you to accept that very basic logical fact. I have pointed it out several times now.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Jim, he said the assumption goes to the woman (you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real). And what obvious agenda does Biden's accuser have?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI don't care what Biden said, one should take any accusation seriously, which is probably what Biden meant by presume, as in presume she's telling the truth. As for the agenda, think about it, it's 30 years after the supposed event and Biden is running for president.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou mean like 35 years after the event with Kavanaugh?
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Looks like there's more than just his former Senate aide and insisting on swimming naked in front of female Secret Service agents (even after being informed it made them uncomfortable)
The rabidly right wing Huffington Post reported that Reade is only one of eight women to accuse Biden of sexual assault.
Last April, Reade was one of eight women to accuse the former vice president of inappropriate touching. Reade told the Intercept’s Ryan Grim this week that she only told the media part of her story at the time because she received an onslaught of harassment that instantly quieted her.
Don't know if any of them are credible but the #MeToo movement taught us that really does not matter.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou mean like 35 years after the event with Kavanaugh?
I have my opinion in both cases, but I'm open to any evidence that might change my opinion or prove my opinion wrong. Does this accuser have any evidence as to the veracity of her 30 year after the fact claim whatsoever, if so I haven't heard it.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostKavanaugh was going through a confirmation process. Do you understand the difference. In order to be confirmed to a lifetime position of power, it's the responsibility of Congress to investigate such allegations. Everyone has their personal opinions as to the authenticity of an accustion, whether it be the accusation against Biden or Kavanaugh. Don't try to pretend that you were neutral concerning Kavanaugh and his accuser.
Originally posted by JimL View PostI have my opinion in both cases, but I'm open to any evidence that might change my opinion or prove my opinion wrong. Does this accuser have any evidence as to the veracity of her 30 year after the fact claim whatsoever, if so I haven't heard it.
As for credibility... she's certainly got more than Ford ever did -- but that's setting an awfully low bar. So far all I've heard is that people have confirmed that she told them back when it happened and she says she filed a complaint but so far there hasn't been any evidence of that produced.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostKavanaugh was going through a confirmation process. Do you understand the difference. In order to be confirmed to a lifetime position of power, it's the responsibility of Congress to investigate such allegations. Everyone has their personal opinions as to the authenticity of an accustion, whether it be the accusation against Biden or Kavanaugh. Don't try to pretend that you were neutral concerning Kavanaugh and his accuser.
I have my opinion in both cases, but I'm open to any evidence that might change my opinion or prove my opinion wrong. Does this accuser have any evidence as to the veracity of her 30 year after the fact claim whatsoever, if so I haven't heard it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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