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Shroud of Turin - New Date?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by TimelessTheist View Post
    I'm fairly sure Italian experts, way before this, used this computer imaging software to determin it couldn't have been faked.
    Disagree, like many claims of shroud(s) of the time, pigments found on the shroud, and the anatomical problems with the image it was likely faked.

    Source: http://www.mcri.org/home/section/63-64/the-shroud-of-turin



    According to Dr. Walter McCrone and his colleagues, the 3+ by 14+ foot cloth depicting Christ’s crucified body is an inspired painting produced by a Medieval artist just before its first appearance in recorded history in 1356.

    The faint sepia image is made up of billions of submicron pigment particles (red ochre and vermilion) in a collagen tempera medium. The pigments red ochre and vermilion with the collagen tempera medium was a common paint composition during the 14th century; before which, no one had ever heard of the Shroud.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
      No, it isn't - they're talking about the '78 exam. And I said my article stated the samples were from '88.

      Haven't had your coffee yet, huh?
      It's the same people, the same timeframe, the same book, and the same methodology. The difference between Wikipedia and USA Today is where the samples originate.
      I'm not here anymore.

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      • #18
        Meh, people have been debating wheyher it's authentic or not since the Middle Ages.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
          There's an explanation for that - but that's another thread.
          Can we start a thread? As I'm interested in what that explanation is.
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          • #20
            Sure - but it'll be several days before I get to it - really busy and I owe RW a response as it is. PM me the link.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
              It's the same people, the same timeframe, the same book, and the same methodology. The difference between Wikipedia and USA Today is where the samples originate.
              1988 and 1978 are the same timeframe?

              The problem Wiki talks about is the secondary way that the '78 samples were obtained (and I agree - way too many problems with that). The new attempt uses the '88 samples - which have a completely different set of problems that Wiki doesn't mention. It must be discussing the first attempt and not the present one - the sample dates make that clear.
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              • #22
                a bit out of date, but Frank Turek interviewed Gary Habermas on the Shroud a few years back on Cross Examined.

                http://mediaserver3.afa.net/archives...NKT_012112.mp3

                He also gave a lecture at The Christian Apologetics Conference in Gothenburg, Sweden titled: The Shroud of Turin: A Non-Reproducible Artifact That Points To A Supernatural Cause
                http://www.garyhabermas.com/audio/Ha...%201%20E1b.mp3
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                  1988 and 1978 are the same timeframe?

                  The problem Wiki talks about is the secondary way that the '78 samples were obtained (and I agree - way too many problems with that). The new attempt uses the '88 samples - which have a completely different set of problems that Wiki doesn't mention. It must be discussing the first attempt and not the present one - the sample dates make that clear.
                  The article you linked is dated March of 2013. The segment Rogue linked refers to events in 2013. That's the timeframe I'm talking about.

                  I don't know what present attempt you're referring to. The article you linked is over a year old.
                  I'm not here anymore.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                    The article you linked is dated March of 2013. The segment Rogue linked refers to events in 2013. That's the timeframe I'm talking about.

                    I don't know what present attempt you're referring to. The article you linked is over a year old.
                    Rogue's link talks about the '78 samples where the USA one talks about the '88 samples - they cannot be the same attempt regardless of year. Best guess is Wiki is out of date and referring to an earlier event (why else would anyone use the '78 samples under such bad collection?) - dunno and really don't care. I just wanted to know what the technique was.

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