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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    That celebrities are just that. They are entertainers and not "heros" to be idolized as we have done for so many years now.
    So, you have just stoped idolizing them now? It is rather late to arrive at that understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    *Looks at post*

    *Looks at a million teachers teaching online, now, including myself*

    *Looks at post*

    Umm ... umm ...
    Give it up strawberry. You are non-essential. Just because you CAN still teach via internet, doesn't mean you HAVE to. School is a non-essential service right now. Grocery stores HAVE to stay open and employees must work in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Give it up strawberry. You are non-essential. Just because you CAN still teach via internet, doesn't mean you HAVE to. School is a non-essential service right now. Grocery stores HAVE to stay open and employees must work in person.
    There are different levels of essential. In the long run, our society can survive with us all making meals at home. So being able to go out to eat is not essential in the ultimate sense, that is a luxury of sorts. But our society will not survive in the long term without teachers. Having teachers is not a luxury, it is an absolute necessity. BUT it is not an immediate necessity. Some things we need immediately, like air. 5 minutes without air, we are dead. Air is essential. But we can go days without food. but we can't say that because we don't need Food every few seconds that Food is NOT essential. No, Food is essential too, but not quite like air. And so on. Teachers are not immediately essential, in that we can go a few weeks or a few months without them. But we can't survive very long without them. We must train the next generation or our society collapses.

    Teachers that are university professors like Juvenal and Roy (IIRC) are also often researchers - which is another critical level of essential - sometimes short term - like developing a vaccine or other treatments for COVID-19.

    Teachers are essential, and fortunately they can carry out their essential duties remotely, which means we do not need to force the issue of how long we can survive without them. But we can't survive very long without them. A few years, a decade maybe? Without teachers we die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    There are different levels of essential. In the long run, our society can survive with us all making meals at home. So being able to go out to eat is not essential in the ultimate sense, that is a luxury of sorts. But our society will not survive in the long term without teachers. Having teachers is not a luxury, it is an absolute necessity. BUT it is not an immediate necessity. Some things we need immediately, like air. 5 minutes without air, we are dead. Air is essential. But we can go days without food. but we can't say that because we don't need Food every few seconds that Food is NOT essential. No, Food is essential too, but not quite like air. And so on. Teachers are not immediately essential, in that we can go a few weeks or a few months without them. But we can't survive very long without them. We must train the next generation or our society collapses.

    Teachers that are university professors like Juvenal and Roy (IIRC) are also often researchers - which is another critical level of essential - sometimes short term - like developing a vaccine or other treatments for COVID-19.

    Teachers are essential, and fortunately they can carry out their essential duties remotely, which means we do not need to force the issue of how long we can survive without them. But we can't survive very long without them. A few years, a decade maybe? Without teachers we die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    "We are in this together"? If only...

    Cuomo spent today explaining how shifting of medical supplies and equipment could work (the reality will be difficult to navigate), using the logistics to supply areas in great need (most of the state have few covid-19 cases), then returning the material when need arises. It is Republican assemblymen opposing this.

    Cuomo will need to use the bully pulpit to push his idea, an idea which makes sense in this time of need.
    As a New Yorker, I think people are seeing this as Upstate NY sacrificing for NYC. I watched some of today's briefing as well (until the spousal over unit couldn't take anymore) and one thing that struck me is how much Cuomo's talk focused on NYC. One slide he showed was all NYC scenes. Yes, that's the greatest need right now, yet there are over 300 cases in my county right now and I've heard concerns on the radio that the ventilators we need are going to go to the city instead. So is Cuomo focused on the state or the city? I don't get a sense from his briefings that he's concerned about any part of the state outside of the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    As a New Yorker, I think people are seeing this as Upstate NY sacrificing for NYC. I watched some of today's briefing as well (until the spousal over unit couldn't take anymore) and one thing that struck me is how much Cuomo's talk focused on NYC. One slide he showed was all NYC scenes. Yes, that's the greatest need right now, yet there are over 300 cases in my county right now and I've heard concerns on the radio that the ventilators we need are going to go to the city instead. So is Cuomo focused on the state or the city? I don't get a sense from his briefings that he's concerned about any part of the state outside of the city.
    That is a definite possibility, that upstate will be sacrificed for the area with more votes. But I do think it unlikely, ventilators and other equipment would be returned when the epidemic scales up in those other areas. Most areas away from NYC are about ten days to two weeks behind. If Cuomo shafts Upstate, it would destroy the state, and destroy any unified and logical future pandemic response.

    It is impossible to face a pandemic if each hospital or county acts as an insulated silo, material has to shift to where it is needed. Cuomo and the state health department is well aware of the stakes.

    There is still slack capacity in all hospitals across the state, with the exception of the few hotspots which are well publicized.

    One thing Cuomo has done is tone down his combativeness, he is not much different than Trump in that department. But he switched gears, handling and praising Trump, and Trump responded. I do not know if it gained more material aid for NY, but we probably got a better deal than Seattle or California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Give it up strawberry. You are non-essential. Just because you CAN still teach via internet, doesn't mean you HAVE to. School is a non-essential service right now. Grocery stores HAVE to stay open and employees must work in person.
    Pirates are non-essential. Just because you CAN grog over the internet, doesn't mean you HAVE to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Give it up strawberry. You are non-essential. Just because you CAN still teach via internet, doesn't mean you HAVE to. School is a non-essential service right now. Grocery stores HAVE to stay open and employees must work in person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    Pirates are non-essential. Just because you CAN grog over the internet, doesn't mean you HAVE to.
    Yeah but I work in IT and IT is essential.

    You can't teach without the internet and computers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Give it up strawberry. You are non-essential. Just because you CAN still teach via internet, doesn't mean you HAVE to. School is a non-essential service right now. Grocery stores HAVE to stay open and employees must work in person.
    Nearly everyone I know that has skewl age children is having to home school. Some but not all get very brief lesson plans from the skewl but still have to do all the teaching themselves.

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