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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAhhh, True Christianity, always undefined, yet it is always someone else who is not the true Christian!
For Charles, I would note again that the effects are not tragic in two cases -- the first is if the media has presented unbalanced discussion in order to hype up the problem. The second is that the group she derides is likely a small group who are offering protection through blessed handkerchieves.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAhhh, True Christianity, always undefined, yet it is always someone else who is not the true Christian!
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post[...]It is sensible enough if you personally don't feel that God, scriptures, and Christianity are convincing to you. But, it may be better to be humble enough to accept the possibility that the Christian message is true -- and to refrain from using examples of heretics to define your image of Christianity.
And like I have already pointed out: I certainly do not use these people or many of the people who like to call themselves "Christians" on tweb to define my image of Christianity.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostDo you mean to imply that some or all of the persons I refer to are heretics? Do you include Jerry Falwell Jr. among the heretics?
And like I have already pointed out: I certainly do not use these people or many of the people who like to call themselves "Christians" on tweb to define my image of Christianity.
I don't know what Jerry Falwell Jr is like. My concern is that the media, instead of just noting that one group of Christians is doing something weird, tries to generalize behavior as representative of all of Evangelical Christians. The Times also throws in Trump's name too -- which, for me, just shows the bias of the writer who seeks to target Trump and Christians at the same time. It is pure racist-level of politics -- trying to deny the views of, what I think has been stated elsewhere, 25% percent of voters or of America.
Hopefully you are of the mindset that, while you don't understand why someone would be a Christian, you are tolerant that many people are Christians for good reasons, even that God may exist and is worthy of worship.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostMy post was in reaction to Kenneth Copeland -- who I probably misstated his position with respect to the confessions.
I don't know what Jerry Falwell Jr is like. My concern is that the media, instead of just noting that one group of Christians is doing something weird, tries to generalize behavior as representative of all of Evangelical Christians. The Times also throws in Trump's name too -- which, for me, just shows the bias of the writer who seeks to target Trump and Christians at the same time. It is pure racist-level of politics -- trying to deny the views of, what I think has been stated elsewhere, 25% percent of voters or of America.
Hopefully you are of the mindset that, while you don't understand why someone would be a Christian, you are tolerant that many people are Christians for good reasons, even that God may exist and is worthy of worship.
Case in point. I have made you aware that a very prominent Evangelical said the following about corona: "You know, impeachment didnt work, and the Mueller report didnt work, and Article 25 didnt work, and so maybe now this is their next, ah, their next attempt to get Trump,
Jerry Falwell Jr. said this. It is not a problem caused by the media and of course they have to point out that he says such foolish things.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI am not a Christian myself so it does not only apply to "someone else" in this case. If the term is to mean anything at all I do not feel like you can apply it everywhere. In this very thread some Christians seem to think along those lines as well.
When the topic turns toward progressive Christians, race, criticizing Trump, complementarianism, etc., passionate divides are highlighted. The fact is that many Christians are pretty confused on what real Christianity is, one moment those things are described as anti-Christian but when real life examples are presented, then it changes. Note the love-hate relationship with MLK, Bonhoffer, brothers Niebuhr; the controversies surrounding the whole CRT resolution of the SBC, the "elite" Christians such as Mark Galli (Christianity Today editorial criticizing Trump) or Mark Noll (Scandal of the Evangelical Mind).
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThe idea that this is mainly about media being unbalanced seems a bit unbalanced in itself. The truth is that Trump has got a large following among white Evangelicals who continue to support him seemingly no matter what. Some of those people do things that are relly weird others not so much. I have read a lot of media coverage about the alliance between Trump and most Evangelicals. Quite many point out the irony that what those Christians support and do seemingly contradict Christian values and the statements of Jesus. Your idea that they generalize to Christianity in general or even Evangelicals in particular is not one I recognize (that is not to say it does not exist).
Case in point. I have made you aware that a very prominent Evangelical said the following about corona: "You know, impeachment didnt work, and the Mueller report didnt work, and Article 25 didnt work, and so maybe now this is their next, ah, their next attempt to get Trump,
Jerry Falwell Jr. said this. It is not a problem caused by the media and of course they have to point out that he says such foolish things.
And all Presidents go against Christian values. I'm not sure why anyone would highlight it now. Oh wait. I would see why it is highlighted -- the President is Trump instead of Obama. There is a degree of predictability here.Last edited by mikewhitney; 03-30-2020, 02:07 PM.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWell, despite all my very good posts things are moving a bit slowly in this thread, I would say
I usually like Simplicio's posts.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwow. Charles and Simplicio in the same thread. This gonna be interesting!
Oh. We'll still need a... shrubbery!
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I wonder where this will go?
Tampa megachurch pastor arrested after leading packed services despite 'safer-at-home' orders
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/tampa-me...at-home-ordersAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI wonder where this will go?
Tampa megachurch pastor arrested after leading packed services despite 'safer-at-home' orders
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/tampa-me...at-home-orders
The abortion industry is suing for the right to increase the death toll at this time.
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once people start getting sick in these Word of Faith churches, and they can't be "cured" by the snake oil preacher, maybe they will finally realize what phony they have been following.
Note, I do believe God can and does heal people, but NOT on command in a circus set up to promote sales of handkerchiefs, anointing oil and books.
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