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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    even after fact checkers have pronounced them false.
    A nutty right-wing site "fact-checking" a real story as false, doesn't actually make the story false. It just makes the fake "fact-checkers" liars.

    Even the legitimate fact-checking sites seem to get a bit careless from time to time and tend to take the establishment's word for things. But there seems to have been a rise in fake fact-checkers who try to give everything a right-wing spin the way Conservapedia tried to do for Wikipedia.
    Last edited by Starlight; 03-30-2020, 05:30 PM.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      A nutty right-wing site "fact-checking" a story as false, doesn't actually make the story false. It just makes the fake "fact-checkers" liars.
      The funny thing these days is that fact checkers are often as incorrect as the reporters. Google wants to be able to give one answer when people search on a topic -- of course it will be the type of facts that Google wants to promote.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by JimL View Post
        They showed footage of the inside of a hospital that was not the same hospital implied by the story. But the video of the hospital had little to do with whether the story itself was fake news. If you want to find fake news, go to FOX, or just wait for Trump to say something.
        It's fake news because the intent is to create a sensationalist atmosphere using visuals falsely. It's the intent of news networks to create and enhance fear because it gets ratings, similar to clickbait tactics. And since they apparently couldn't find such visuals in NY, of which the story is based on, they used scary footage from a different country.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          It's fake news because the intent is to create a sensationalist atmosphere using visuals falsely. It's the intent of news networks to create and enhance fear because it gets ratings, similar to clickbait tactics. And since they apparently couldn't find such visuals in NY, of which the story is based on, they used scary footage from a different country.
          Have you been to a NY Hospital lately? The story was true.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by seanD View Post
            It's fake news because the intent is to create a sensationalist atmosphere using visuals falsely. It's the intent of news networks to create and enhance fear because it gets ratings, similar to clickbait tactics. And since they apparently couldn't find such visuals in NY, of which the story is based on, they used scary footage from a different country.
            If all parts of the reported story were accurate and if the conditions in the NY hospitals are roughly similar to those of Italian hospitals, and if it's not practical for safety reasons to film inside NY hospitals at the moment, then using the footage seems okay.

            If it's deliberately done as part of a false story to stoke fear and panic, obviously that's not okay. However, it appears that the people who are doing the false stories are the nutty right-wingers, e.g. people mikewhitney is listening to who are saying "Everything's Fine!"
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #21
              Saw a tweet today that fits in this thread:

              Sean Hannity, who recently suggested the coronavirus pandemic was a "deep state" plot to hurt the economy, wonders how anyone can trust the "outright conspiracy theorists" in the media.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                If all parts of the reported story were accurate and if the conditions in the NY hospitals are roughly similar to those of Italian hospitals, and if it's not practical for safety reasons to film inside NY hospitals at the moment, then using the footage seems okay.

                If it's deliberately done as part of a false story to stoke fear and panic, obviously that's not okay. However, it appears that the people who are doing the false stories are the nutty right-wingers, e.g. people mikewhitney is listening to who are saying "Everything's Fine!"
                If it is accurate that the media is stroking fears, just call it the promotion of wacky right-wingers. I love it. You are demonstrating one of the signs of a mind-controlled person. Your cognitive processes are replace with packaged sayings which you use to describe anything that does not fit your programming. Have you considered advancing your degree of mind control by becoming a Moonie?

                The Project Veritas website reports on some New York/New Jersey hospitals where workers viewed this as media hype. If you are single-source mass media person, you just get one picture. Your inquistive skills seem to be lacking when you just rely on the low-hanging fruit.
                Last edited by mikewhitney; 03-30-2020, 09:16 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  If all parts of the reported story were accurate and if the conditions in the NY hospitals are roughly similar to those of Italian hospitals, and if it's not practical for safety reasons to film inside NY hospitals at the moment, then using the footage seems okay.

                  If it's deliberately done as part of a false story to stoke fear and panic, obviously that's not okay.
                  We don't know conditions in NY hospitals look the same. In fact, there's no reason to doubt they could have gotten that footage from NY had it existed, whether themselves or a second party. Coupled that with the fact MSM has been caught multiple times doing things like this for sensationalist effects is every reason to assume that the deceptive footage was intentional.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                    If it is accurate that the media is stroking fears, just call it the promotion of wacky right-wingers.
                    Not at all what I said. Learn to read.

                    The Project Veritas
                    Project Veritas has been busted time and time and time again for false and misleading stories. Pretty much 100% of what they have claimed has been debunked. They are outright liars pure and simple. You're crazy to believe anything they say now.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Not at all what I said. Learn to read.

                      Project Veritas has been busted time and time and time again for false and misleading stories. Pretty much 100% of what they have claimed has been debunked. They are outright liars pure and simple. You're crazy to believe anything they say now.
                      ah. If I understand you, the videos of people at CNN talking about the bias against Trump were all actors. The guy who quit due to videos about his inappropriate sexual advances was all just a skit so that all the people involved ( the CNN workers and PRoject Veritas) could get paid higher salaries. I think I understand your twisted logic. Don't you dare listen to people who might challenge you to think.

                      Concerning the Planned Parenthood criminal actions, here's an excerpt of an article on the 5th Circuit Court decision on the videos:
                      (links: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ptively-edited)

                      As certain newsrooms worked hard to delegitimize the videos based on nothing but the say-so of Planned Parenthood and a Democrat-aligned public relations firm, other newsrooms went out of their way to portray the producer of the tapes as an “ extremist.”

                      Four years later, we learn from the 5th Circuit that the videos were neither selectively edited, nor was it false to say that Planned Parenthood associates circumvented legal, medical, and ethical guidelines in pursuit of salvaging human remains.

                      The press talks a big game these days about standing up for the truth and safeguarding facts. But stories such as the undercover Planned Parenthood tapes are a good reminder that, for the national media, some facts are more deserving of protection than others.
                      Again, the fake media is exposed.
                      Last edited by mikewhitney; 03-30-2020, 09:53 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        Don't you dare listen to people who might challenge you to think.
                        I'm literally a scientist. I explore new ideas and think challenging thoughts literally every day.

                        You can be a lunatic who naively believes crazy sources that lie to you if you want. But you should try to develop some critic thinking ability and more carefully assess the stuff you're consuming and foolishly believing.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          I'm literally a scientist. I explore new ideas and think challenging thoughts literally every day.

                          You can be a lunatic who naively believes crazy sources that lie to you if you want. But you should try to develop some critic thinking ability and more carefully assess the stuff you're consuming and foolishly believing.
                          As an intellectual, you can often become self-assured in what you come to rely on. Just like you rejected Project Veritas on the Planned Parenthood while you lacked the insight that the mass media failed to provide you.

                          I'm not participating in this discussion as some sort of weird competition. It would be so much easier on my reputation and life in general not to have said anything. I just think that these are times where we have to take a look at what is going wrong. And maybe nothing has changed in New Zealand -- I have not checked into that.

                          We have govenors who are all too willing to do a broad stroked disregard of many critical rights of the people. (Only a few govenors, last I heard, made general recommendations and left the rest of the behavior decisions up to the people.) There are church groups who could meet together and even maintain social distancing -- but instead, govenors, especially those of the Democratic party, are all too willing to restrict church gatherings over 10 people. Again I mention that the eighty or so people in my church group could meet together on Sunday even while maintaining social distancing between families. And less restrictive measures could be done -- such as self-quarantines. So, yes. I am concerned about the behavior of people and also of the future of my country.

                          Are we automatically to disqualify scientists who say this is manageable as any (albeit severe) flu season is treated? I would think you, as a scientist, would not just hone in on the single media report.

                          I pray for the best outcome. The rich will become richer out of this. The rest of us will survive one way or another. I suppose you are content with that outcome rather than having more rational guidelines in this present situation. (The human toll for this lockdown will likely be worse than the effects that the virus itself could have done.)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            If all parts of the reported story were accurate and if the conditions in the NY hospitals are roughly similar to those of Italian hospitals, and if it's not practical for safety reasons to film inside NY hospitals at the moment, then using the footage seems okay.
                            If this is the reason why no disclaimer Starlight. Without the Disclaimer it is a lie. Do you have any thing to back up your view that this was the reason or are you doing what you normally do making things up.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Not at all what I said. Learn to read.

                              Project Veritas has been busted time and time and time again for false and misleading stories. Pretty much 100% of what they have claimed has been debunked. They are outright liars pure and simple. You're crazy to believe anything they say now.
                              You need cites for this assertion about Project Veritas. Give us your Cites Starlight or admit you are making things up like you always do.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                                As an intellectual, you can often become self-assured in what you come to rely on. Just like you rejected Project Veritas on the Planned Parenthood while you lacked the insight that the mass media failed to provide you.

                                I'm not participating in this discussion as some sort of weird competition. It would be so much easier on my reputation and life in general not to have said anything. I just think that these are times where we have to take a look at what is going wrong. And maybe nothing has changed in New Zealand -- I have not checked into that.

                                We have govenors who are all too willing to do a broad stroked disregard of many critical rights of the people. (Only a few govenors, last I heard, made general recommendations and left the rest of the behavior decisions up to the people.) There are church groups who could meet together and even maintain social distancing -- but instead, govenors, especially those of the Democratic party, are all too willing to restrict church gatherings over 10 people. Again I mention that the eighty or so people in my church group could meet together on Sunday even while maintaining social distancing between families. And less restrictive measures could be done -- such as self-quarantines. So, yes. I am concerned about the behavior of people and also of the future of my country.

                                Are we automatically to disqualify scientists who say this is manageable as any (albeit severe) flu season is treated? I would think you, as a scientist, would not just hone in on the single media report.

                                I pray for the best outcome. The rich will become richer out of this. The rest of us will survive one way or another. I suppose you are content with that outcome rather than having more rational guidelines in this present situation. (The human toll for this lockdown will likely be worse than the effects that the virus itself could have done.)
                                I’m sure most people are sensible enough to take the necessary precautions but some aren’t and until this pandemic is under control it’s safer for everyone to stay home. It’s the rate that people are dying that worries me and while the flu has killed more people, if we were to wait until this virus came close to the flu numbers then it seems like it would have killed double the flu amount before anything can be done about it. That’s how quickly the deaths are growing.

                                South Korea has done a great job so far mainly due to the fact they did such a poor job during SARS. It’s the same people running the show who were publicly ridiculed and blamed by the previous South Korean president who did pretty much what Trump is doing. The current South Korean president put his full support and trust on the same experts and started action immediately after learning that this virus could be transmitted human to human and they were ready for it before it reached them. Most of their infections are the result of one church who refused to cooperate and give information on other church members and something like 90% of South Korea’s 9000 infected is from that one church.

                                My family has been home for the last week (feels like a month) and I’ve already made a new dining table from scrap wood! This week I’m going to try knitting my own clothes.

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