Crew on U.S. Aircraft carrier test positive for Coronavirus.

[Sparko]

that right there. I view that comment as analogous to saying that a thirty year member of the service is unfamiliar with the most basic customs and courtesies like saluting. There is no way that the brass was unaware of the situation on the ship.

The Navy dithered, not making any decision. The political dimension of this is obvious: To take the crew off a major warship would have contradicted the message and image this administration wanted to project.

you are doing a lot of assuming there. I am just stating the facts as they have been made public.

What is the big deal over encryption then? Unencrypted messages are sent all the time. The email was sent to Navy personnel

This is a ship filled with nuclear weapons. One of our most powerful weapons. It isn't good to let it be known that they are compromised and trying to abandon ship.

Just how is Trump going to intervene? The man's career is dead, to give him back his command would be a direct slap in the face to the Navy. That was not a bad day for Crozier, it may have been his finest hour, to do what is right, regardless of the consequences. If Crozier had waited, he would have been in charge of what would probably have been one of the great disasters in US Naval history; the man is a product of Annapolis which emphasizes duty and honor.

Wrong. Since Crozier resigned I think they will dismiss the charges. That is what hearings are for. Trump is the leader of the military. If he says to drop it, they will. He will be reinstated and things will continue as before.

Here, gargle with this:



It will get that nasty Trumpster taste out of your mouth.

[demi-conservative]

He just resigned.

"You're fired."

So yet again, Trump wasn't behind the firing of the captain, like everyone was claiming, he was actually on the Captain's side.

Trump has good rapport with the average fighting soldier. This is not surprising.

[JimL]

"You're fired."



Trump has good rapport with the average fighting soldier. This is not surprising.

Which is the only reason Trump is interceding in the case now. He saw the sendoff Captain Crozier got from his crew after Trump had him fired, and knows that same sentiment runs throughout the entire U.S. military. He's made a political decision just like he did in the Navy Seal trial. And then he fired, or forced into retirment, the very man, Secretary of the Navy, Modley, that he had fire Captain Crozier. Or do you believe that the Secretary of the Navy just decided on his own to retire?

[simplicio]

you are doing a lot of assuming there. I am just stating the facts as they have been made public.

Yes, I am doing a lot of assuming. But Crozier was given command of a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, one of the most fearsome weapons in history. He had a successful career in the Navy, they generally do not give such an assignment to slackers or even mediocre officers. He is a graduate of Annapolis, the Navy's service academy (and the Army's rival in football).

The Navy was aware of cases of disease on the ship. If Crozier withheld such information then he is negligent.

Given the above, it is a reasonable assumption.

This is a ship filled with nuclear weapons. One of our most powerful weapons. It isn't good to let it be known that they are compromised and trying to abandon ship.

Yes, that is an issue. But let me assure you, every Navy keeps track of disposition of such vessels. When they disembark, it is not secret.

Wrong. Since Crozier resigned I think they will dismiss the charges. That is what hearings are for. Trump is the leader of the military. If he says to drop it, they will. He will be reinstated and things will continue as before.

So what if they dismiss the charges? The only way to save face is to drop charges, that is a given in this situation. He was removed from command in a very public manner. If he is given another command of any importance, it will be a direct slap at the Navy chain of command. It would be even more so if he is given command of the Big Stick.

If the Navy did move promptly, it would have been seen as a slap at the administration and undermining the Commander in Chief who has made the epidemic a political game.

The fact is, the email Crozier sent prompted the Navy to get off it duff.

Here, gargle with this:



It will get that nasty Trumpster taste out of your mouth.

https://www.google.com/search?q=geor...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[simplicio]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an...ry/ar-BB12wPEY

Was Modly a sycophant of Trump?

Did Crozier violate his obligation to his men?

Sailors cheered Crozier, their response to Modly was "what the...."

[Starlight]

Modly the obedient sycophant did the will of the Dear Leader.

Then the Dear Leader changed his mind...
...had always held the opposite view, for the Dear Leader never changes his mind.

So what Modly did was obviously disobedient to the express will of the Dear Leader, so he had to go for his treachery.

[simplicio]

Modly the obedient sycophant did the will of the Dear Leader.

Then the Dear Leader changed his mind...
...had always held the opposite view, for the Dear Leader never changes his mind.

So what Modly did was obviously disobedient to the express will of the Dear Leader, so he had to go for his treachery.

Both Modly and Crozier are both graduates of the Naval Academy. Crozier apparently absorbed the teachings on leadership. The sailors instinctively recognized the difference between the two men: Crozier was cheered. Modly provoked a bewildered and angry response.

An admiral ripped into the ship's senior medical officer for his lack of leadership. Maybe the model of heroism is the charge of the Light Brigade! Bravery is one thing, folly another.

[simplicio]

Looks like Crozier might be reinstated. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/na...lt/ar-BB12GB7h

I don't know if it was the Navy, the administration, or the political and desk sailing Navy, who floated the trial balloon in the media.

Crozier's "bad day" was his finest hour. I think the real Navy understands this, his sailors under his command understand it. Kernel Bonepsurs, the wartime president does not.

[Sparko]

Looks like Crozier might be reinstated. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/na...lt/ar-BB12GB7h

I don't know if it was the Navy, the administration, or the political and desk sailing Navy, who floated the trial balloon in the media.

Crozier's "bad day" was his finest hour. I think the real Navy understands this, his sailors under his command understand it. Kernel Bonepsurs, the wartime president does not.

So, is it time for me to say, "I told you so?"

[simplicio]

20 or 30 now equals.....10. Crozier's infamous email was sent to 3 admirals and ten captains. No wonder sailors shouted out "What the...."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fi...rt/ar-BB12Ke7Z

[simplicio]

So, is it time for me to say, "I told you so?"

not time yet, he has not been reinstated.

Sailors disrespected the acting Secretary of the Navy (higher up the chain of command than the admirals), no small thing to happen in the military. For sailors to speak out like that is (almost ) unthinkable, that someone dis not jack the sailor up for speaking out. Nothing demonstrates a serious problem. I think he might been given a different assignment, but not the same ship.

After what Modly said, the Navy is between a rock and a hard place on this.

[simplicio]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/re...in/ar-BB12OAEN

This piece examines the options open to the Navy.

Sailors shouted "what the ...." at one member of the chain of command and cheered another. Crozier's "bad day" and his "naive and stupid" action, along with the revolving door employment at Navy Secretary's slot point to a real problem: Divided and conflicting chain of command loyalties.

[simplicio]

Breaking News: There is no news on how the Navy plans on dealing with Crozier. Last week there were reports that the Navy was going to make a statement on Monday (today). But no statement.

Our Commander-in-Chief is a wartime president, after the fashion of Abraham Lincoln and FDR. But the Navy hospital ship is sitting empty while the hospitals in NYC are really struggling. Though the Navy did say that they will accept patients now from a hundred mile radius.

America's Navy, forged by the sea. Anchors Aweigh

Stand Navy down the field, sails set to the sky.
We'll never change our course, so Army you steer shy-y-y-y.
Roll up the score, Navy, Anchors Aweigh.
Sail Navy down the field and sink the Army, sink the Army Grey.

Get underway, Navy, Decks cleared for the fray,
We'll hoist true Navy Blue So Army down your Grey-y-y-y.

[simplicio]

you are doing a lot of assuming there. I am just stating the facts as they have been made public.



This is a ship filled with nuclear weapons. One of our most powerful weapons. It isn't good to let it be known that they are compromised and trying to abandon ship.




Wrong. Since Crozier resigned I think they will dismiss the charges. That is what hearings are for. Trump is the leader of the military. If he says to drop it, they will. He will be reinstated and things will continue as before.

Here, gargle with this:



It will get that nasty Trumpster taste out of your mouth.

You mean Trump's touted cure for coronavirus?

The count of positive cases from the TR is 840 sailors, and counting.

You stated facts which seem to be rather problematic now.