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  • #31
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Neither - another poster here.
    So what do you think about this thread? Is this all a hoax in which the MSM is lying?

    We have had discussions on the MSM posting wrong footage of Jamaica hospital in NYC: Fake News? We have here many examples of the entranceways to hospitals as eerily quiet: Fake News?

    We have had news that Fauci has extra bodyguards now: what role does fake news play?

    American Christianity has a definite paranoid wing. Is that a healthy Christianity?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
      So what do you think about this thread? Is this all a hoax in which the MSM is lying?

      We have had discussions on the MSM posting wrong footage of Jamaica hospital in NYC: Fake News? We have here many examples of the entranceways to hospitals as eerily quiet: Fake News?

      We have had news that Fauci has extra bodyguards now: what role does fake news play?

      American Christianity has a definite paranoid wing. Is that a healthy Christianity?
      I thought that most of the world is where we see paranoid behavior. Why are you narrowing it down to Christianity?

      Who knows what the real situation is in the hospitals? We are getting too much questionable news reports. I would think that it is the news reporters who are most paranoid.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        I thought that most of the world is where we see paranoid behavior. Why are you narrowing it down to Christianity?

        Who knows what the real situation is in the hospitals? We are getting too much questionable news reports. I would think that it is the news reporters who are most paranoid.
        The paranoid behavior here is from Christians. When the atheists go off the deep end, then I will address them.

        Who knows the real situation in the hospitals? The people, average John and Jane Does who work there. The situation is that the finances of the weaker hospitals are being stretched, pushing them into possible insolvency (though there is ample aid now).

        No, the crisis has not hit yet in most of America, the only hospitals strained to the limit are the city hospitals in a few places. When a hospital is full, they do not take in more patients, so there are no more ambulances rolling in. And hospitals have barred visitors, so loved ones die alone, and there is no foot traffic through the doors, other than workers. NYC is offering 100 dollars per hour for RNs, they are that desperate.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by simplicio View Post
          The paranoid behavior here is from Christians. When the atheists go off the deep end, then I will address them.

          Who knows the real situation in the hospitals? The people, average John and Jane Does who work there. The situation is that the finances of the weaker hospitals are being stretched, pushing them into possible insolvency (though there is ample aid now).

          No, the crisis has not hit yet in most of America, the only hospitals strained to the limit are the city hospitals in a few places. When a hospital is full, they do not take in more patients, so there are no more ambulances rolling in. And hospitals have barred visitors, so loved ones die alone, and there is no foot traffic through the doors, other than workers. NYC is offering 100 dollars per hour for RNs, they are that desperate.
          If you look at the #FilmYourHospital videos, you would see why they are financially strained. The pictures show empty parking lots. If there are ambulances, the ambulances are parked for hours. Otherwise, there are no ambulance movements. These videos cannot quite reveal what is happening inside the hospitals, but normally there has to be new patients going into the hospitals. And you might see city morgue vehicles to handle deaths.

          We really cannot tell what is a lie and what is the truth from the mainstream media. We can surmise that there is some increased sickness going on but cannot tell how bad it might be -- at least not with any accuracy from the mainstream news. Why do you have to be paranoid to see that the media has promoted fear and does not provide any of the good news?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            If you look at the #FilmYourHospital videos, you would see why they are financially strained. The pictures show empty parking lots. If there are ambulances, the ambulances are parked for hours. Otherwise, there are no ambulance movements. These videos cannot quite reveal what is happening inside the hospitals, but normally there has to be new patients going into the hospitals. And you might see city morgue vehicles to handle deaths.

            We really cannot tell what is a lie and what is the truth from the mainstream media. We can surmise that there is some increased sickness going on but cannot tell how bad it might be -- at least not with any accuracy from the mainstream news. Why do you have to be paranoid to see that the media has promoted fear and does not provide any of the good news?
            Why do they need full parking lots if there are no visitors? The employee parking lots are as full as ever. If the hospital is full, they do not receive new patients, they are sent elsewhere.

            "We really cannot tell what is a lie and what is the truth from mainstream media", so rely on the conspiracy nuts on the internet?

            You really don't know anyone who works in healthcare?

            Tell me, what good news is the MSM hiding? The malaria drug treatments? If you remember statistics in high school, then you might remember the difficulty in measuring correlations and causation. Drugs are difficult to assess because of the randomness inherent. Even placebo sugar pills have miracle cures, which is why drug testing is so involved.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by simplicio View Post
              Why do they need full parking lots if there are no visitors? The employee parking lots are as full as ever. If the hospital is full, they do not receive new patients, they are sent elsewhere.

              "We really cannot tell what is a lie and what is the truth from mainstream media", so rely on the conspiracy nuts on the internet?

              You really don't know anyone who works in healthcare?

              Tell me, what good news is the MSM hiding? The malaria drug treatments? If you remember statistics in high school, then you might remember the difficulty in measuring correlations and causation. Drugs are difficult to assess because of the randomness inherent. Even placebo sugar pills have miracle cures, which is why drug testing is so involved.
              It is so convenient to call people conspiracy nuts when they provide information that conflicts with what you think. Sounds like a mind that is not able to grasp controversy.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                It is so convenient to call people conspiracy nuts when they provide information that conflicts with what you think. Sounds like a mind that is not able to grasp controversy.
                That is not information, it is disinformation. Yours is a mind which is probably able to grasp reality, but prefers the dank shadows of paranoia.

                Ideas have consequences.

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                • #38
                  My job places me in hospitals and clinics, and my wife works in a local hospital. I wish it was a hoax.

                  Personally, I believe we're dealing with something akin to a flu outbreak. Yeah, it's on a global scale, and more infectious than a seasonal flu and possibly more deadly, but it's not as bad as it could be. It's mostly a matter of flattening the curve.

                  Humanity will likely have something much worse come down the pike in the future. Imagine a completely stealthy virus that is 10X more infectious and deadly, and by the time you know you have it you're already in critical condition? It's almost a matter of "when" and not "if". Globalization comes with a heavy price tag.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                    So what do you think about this thread? Is this all a hoax in which the MSM is lying?

                    We have had discussions on the MSM posting wrong footage of Jamaica hospital in NYC: Fake News? We have here many examples of the entranceways to hospitals as eerily quiet: Fake News?

                    We have had news that Fauci has extra bodyguards now: what role does fake news play?

                    American Christianity has a definite paranoid wing. Is that a healthy Christianity?
                    I am impressed by the sheer variety of obfuscation you're employing here.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                      That is not information, it is disinformation. Yours is a mind which is probably able to grasp reality, but prefers the dank shadows of paranoia.

                      Ideas have consequences.
                      The goal is to figure out where the disinformation is. You are just blind to the evidence. I think you take this phrase incorrectly "Justice is blind."

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        My job places me in hospitals and clinics, and my wife works in a local hospital. I wish it was a hoax.

                        Personally, I believe we're dealing with something akin to a flu outbreak. Yeah, it's on a global scale, and more infectious than a seasonal flu and possibly more deadly, but it's not as bad as it could be. It's mostly a matter of flattening the curve.

                        Humanity will likely have something much worse come down the pike in the future. Imagine a completely stealthy virus that is 10X more infectious and deadly, and by the time you know you have it you're already in critical condition? It's almost a matter of "when" and not "if". Globalization comes with a heavy price tag.
                        Thanks for your contribution. This description of the coronavirus severity is what I hear from voices across the world.

                        Some hospitals are seasonally busy but it seems that many hospitals are stopping elective surgery. The videos could be reflecting the effects of lockdown where only the worst medical issues are handled and visitors are limited. A point that people often are making is that the activity at their nearby hospital is not matching what the news media says or shows.
                        Last edited by mikewhitney; 04-03-2020, 10:01 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                          Roy, you are not welcome on this thread. Please do not come back.
                          You are neither an admin or a moderator. Please do not attempt to moderate others' involvement in a thread.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                            You are neither an admin or a moderator. Please do not attempt to moderate others' involvement in a thread.
                            As i remember the rules, the originator of the thread is able to ask people not to post in the discussion. However, if the originator specifically makes accusations of a person, that person can respond to that accusation. People have been respecting this rule pretty well.

                            In other people's threads, I don't have a right to request someone to stay out. We see breakaway threads that people use to argue on topics that are otherwise disruptive of the original thread.

                            Some people are just marginally disruptive and still part of the ongoing discussion. So, these are allowed to continue.
                            Last edited by mikewhitney; 04-03-2020, 09:56 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              As i remember the rules, the originator of the thread is able to ask people not to post in the discussion. However, if the originator specifically makes accusations of a person, that person can respond to that accusation.
                              This is correct, although it is best to report the post and note that you've asked the person to leave.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                                I would expect to see something like you said -- a screening at the entrance of hospitals. But not every hospital would have the same situation. Some may not have to do this right now. The idea is to get eyes on the street from common people, to see if the news media is presenting the scenario at hospitals correctly
                                But the people on the street don't have access to the wards or busy parts of the hospital. News agencies might get a pass. But mostly I am seeing the same videos cycling over and over while some talking head tells us what is going on. So basically a few people get access and film various hospitals and then that stock footage is passed around to all of the other agencies.

                                But that doesn't mean this is some sort of hoax. The hospitals are taking it seriously and I personally know some healthcare workers (like my cousin) who are in the middle of it. It's real.

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