Red state/blue state and corona

[JimL]

It's pretty obvious they're grooming him to be the Democrat nominee.

Nobody's grooming him, apparently you're just impressed.

[JimL]

Uh, no, Trump never said that, and he recently took a CNN reporter to task for repeating this falsehood:

REPORTER: I also would like to ask some comments you made on Friday. You were talking about governors and states, you said, "want them to be appreciative."

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I didn't say that.

REPORTER: You said if they don't treat you right, "I don't call." These are direct quotes, sir.

TRUMP: Excuse me. You ready? Take a look at what I said. I want them to be appreciative of me, okay? And then you cut it up. It is fake news.

REPORTER: You and your administration.

TRUMP: You just said it again. You know the answer, know the answer is a lie.

REPORTER: I can read you the full comment.

TRUMP: Your statement and your response and your answer is a lie. Here is the story, I said I want you to be appreciative of me and you go on and I go on and you cut it off.

REPORTER: You said, "I want them to be appreciative, I don't want them to say things that are not true. I want them to be appreciative. We have done a great job. I am not talking about me, I am talking about Mike Pence and the task force and the Army Corp. of Engineers. If they don't treat me right, I don't call."

TRUMP: I don't call -- I don't call. I don't call the governor of Washington.

REPORTER: Why in this time --

TRUMP: Mike Pence calls and FEMA calls. Did I ask Mike to do anything negative to the state of Washington? Michigan? I love that state, I love that state. So proud of what's happening with the auto industry coming back to Michigan. No, I don't have to call. I am probably better off not. We don't get along, he's a failed presidential candidate, the governor of Washington. He's a nasty person, so you know who calls? Mike Pence. I get the head of FEMA and the admiral to call.

What you did not say. You started it off and you talked about -- I have to be appreciated. You said because if you don't appreciate, you are not respecting these incredible people, the two admirals, you are not appreciating FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers who build 2,900 beds in three and a half days. You are not appreciating all the work that has been done and these incredible people that are delivering things in numbers that nobody has ever seen.

That's why people are not watching CNN very much anymore. That's why they don't like it and your rating are no good. You, after knowing the truth for days now, you bring up the old lies. Read the rest of your question, the rest of your statement, you didn't put in. You have to put that in. It said in there, FEMA it says Army Corps of Engineers because when they disrespect me, they are disrespecting our government. You know what -- I don't mind if I am disrespected but they can't disrespect the Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA.

Please, go ahead. I want them to appreciate the incredible job we are doing. We are doing a job the likes of which never been done before. There are a couple of people that know that. But for political reasons, let's say they are Democrats, they don't want to give this administration credit. It is okay. I don't have to deal with them but our vice president is dealing with them. That is why CNN is not trusted anymore. They are fake news.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._old_lies.html

Exactly, what a child. "I want them to be appreciative of me" if their not appreciative of me, then I won't talk to them. How mature, how presidential.

[Mountain Man]

Correct. It is directly on video in the link that Charles provides. Quoting Trump denying he ever said it does not "refute" the claim.

I didn't think linking would be necessary given how incessantly the comments have been covered in the last two days

Here are Trump's exact words:

President Trump:
I want them to be appreciative, I don't want them to say things that are not true. I want them to be appreciative. We have done a great job. I am not talking about me, I am talking about Mike Pence and the task force and the Army Corp. of Engineers. If they don't treat me right, I don't call.

...

I think they should be appreciative. Because you know what? When they’re not appreciative to me, they’re not appreciative to the Army Corps, they’re not appreciative to FEMA, it’s not right. These people are incredible. They’re working 24 hours a day. I mean, Mike Pence, I don’t think he sleeps anymore. These are people that should be appreciated. He calls all the governors. I tell him… I mean, I’m a different type of person. I say, “Mike, don’t call the Governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time with him. Don’t call the woman in Michigan.” It doesn’t make any difference what happens-

Reporter:
You don’t want him to call the Governor of Washington?

President Trump:
You know what I say? If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call. He’s a different type of person. He’ll call quietly anyway, okay? But he’s done a great job. He should be appreciated for the job he’s done.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts...t-appreciative

What you claimed: "Trump has outright said that he's told Pence not to bother helping/working with governors who criticize him."

What Trump really said: "I don't call." In other words, "I don't speak with them personally." He never told Mike Pence not to bother working with or helping governors that were critical of the Trump administration, and he never said or implied that he would refuse to send needed aid to the states in question. Sorry, KingsGambit, but you've been suckered by the fake news narrative.

[Mountain Man]

Exactly, what a child. "I want them to be appreciative of me" if their not appreciative of me, then I won't talk to them. How mature, how presidential.

Are you illiterate? Or did you just not bother reading the whole thing?

"I don't mind if I am disrespected but they can't disrespect the Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA."

Trump doesn't care about himself, but he wants the people working for him to be respected.

[Starlight]

Nobody's grooming him, apparently you're just impressed.

Gotta side with MM on this actually. Possibly for the first time ever. It actually does seem like someone's putting effort in to overly praise Cuomo with regard to his Covid-handling with a view to possibly subbing out Biden for Cuomo. It's not very clear to me who's behind it other than they're an establishment group... might be Cuomo's people, or Obama's people, or the DNC.

[Mountain Man]

Nobody's grooming him, apparently you're just impressed.

I'm not impressed with him, I just know the media has been working very hard to give the governor of New York national name recognition without him doing anything particularly notable to warrant it.

[Cow Poke]

Correct. It is directly on video in the link that Charles provides. Quoting Trump denying he ever said it does not "refute" the claim.

I didn't think linking would be necessary given how incessantly the comments have been covered in the last two days

My apologies. I haven't been around much lately, and this kind of thing is kinda sorta why.

[Darth Executor]

Correct. It is directly on video in the link that Charles provides. Quoting Trump denying he ever said it does not "refute" the claim.

I didn't think linking would be necessary given how incessantly the comments have been covered in the last two days

In context, as far as I can tell, the issue here is that even though Trump has been president for almost 4 years you still can't understand what he's saying and taking everything hyperliterally, like a fundamentalist (Christian or atheist) reading the bible.

[Mountain Man]

In context, as far as I can tell, the issue here is that even though Trump has been president for almost 4 years you still can't understand what he's saying and taking everything hyperliterally, like a fundamentalist (Christian or atheist) reading the bible.

The problem is that KingsGambit falsely believes that Trump "told Pence not to bother helping/working with governors who criticize him." That's not true. Trump said, "I won't call them," but he never said or implied he won't help them or work with them to deliver necessary aid, and he never told Mike Pence not to, either. The idea, I guess, is that the only way that can be accomplished is if Trump calls them personally. Haven't they ever heard the phrase, "I'll have my people call your people"? Trump can do everything he needs to without ever picking up the phone himself.

[simplicio]

Gotta side with MM on this actually. Possibly for the first time ever. It actually does seem like someone's putting effort in to overly praise Cuomo with regard to his Covid-handling with a view to possibly subbing out Biden for Cuomo. It's not very clear to me who's behind it other than they're an establishment group... might be Cuomo's people, or Obama's people, or the DNC.

Who is the image of leadership on covid 19?

If Trump got ahead of this and offered the line of "buckle up we're in for a rough ride and we're in this together" of the fireside chat, Trump would be sitting pretty in the polls (and have the image of a war time president. Instead we are treated to political posturing.

Other than the spat with de Blasio (NYC mayor) at trying to out bully Trump at the beginning, Cuomo overstepped De Blasio and handled Trump. De Blasio is now saddled with the image of wanting one last workout at the gym before shutting them down, Trump has his endless string of gaffes. Cuomo has the appearance, and the relity, of listening to the professional health care workers in this, Trump doesn't.

Among nurses and other assorted hospital workers, Cuomo has respect, Trump doesn't. There is not some amorphous "they" who is pushing Cuomo at the expense of Trump as Cowpoke suggests. Cuomo does not need an adult to follow him up and correct the message, Trump does.

Edit to Add: Cuomo is presenting to the public a model and a plea for unified federal leadership, Trump is telling governors they are on their own: Cuomo is making the case for a centralized buying on ventilators and PPE, because states are competing with other state AND FEMA, bidding up prices.

[JimL]

Here are Trump's exact words:

President Trump:
I want them to be appreciative, I don't want them to say things that are not true. I want them to be appreciative. We have done a great job. I am not talking about me, I am talking about Mike Pence and the task force and the Army Corp. of Engineers. If they don't treat me right, I don't call.

...

I think they should be appreciative. Because you know what? When they’re not appreciative to me, they’re not appreciative to the Army Corps, they’re not appreciative to FEMA, it’s not right. These people are incredible. They’re working 24 hours a day. I mean, Mike Pence, I don’t think he sleeps anymore. These are people that should be appreciated. He calls all the governors. I tell him… I mean, I’m a different type of person. I say, “Mike, don’t call the Governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time with him. Don’t call the woman in Michigan.” It doesn’t make any difference what happens-

Reporter:
You don’t want him to call the Governor of Washington?

President Trump:
You know what I say? If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call. He’s a different type of person. He’ll call quietly anyway, okay? But he’s done a great job. He should be appreciated for the job he’s done.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts...t-appreciative

What you claimed: "Trump has outright said that he's told Pence not to bother helping/working with governors who criticize him."

What Trump really said: "I don't call." In other words, "I don't speak with them personally." He never told Mike Pence not to bother working with or helping governors that were critical of the Trump administration, and he never said or implied that he would refuse to send needed aid to the states in question. Sorry, KingsGambit, but you've been suckered by the fake news narrative.

"If they don't treat me right, I don't call." The Presidents spin on that, i.e. that because I said I won't call, doesn't mean that Pence won't call, is laughable. But, such spin was meant for you, so he knows it will have its intended effect.

[JimL]

Are you illiterate? Or did you just not bother reading the whole thing?

"I don't mind if I am disrespected but they can't disrespect the Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA."

Trump doesn't care about himself, but he wants the people working for him to be respected.

Sorry MM, but yes, Trump is exactly what Trump cares about. Criticizing the job that the institutions of government are doing, is criticizing Trump, and criticism is something that Trump just can't take. After all, remember, he's a very stable genius.

[JimL]

Gotta side with MM on this actually. Possibly for the first time ever. It actually does seem like someone's putting effort in to overly praise Cuomo with regard to his Covid-handling with a view to possibly subbing out Biden for Cuomo. It's not very clear to me who's behind it other than they're an establishment group... might be Cuomo's people, or Obama's people, or the DNC.

Respectfully disagree, star. Cuomo is simply getting a lot of praise because of his messaging, which because he is the Governor of the state, particularly NY City, which is by far the worst virus effected city in the country, is national news. I don't believe that there is any way that the DNC is going to disregard the results of their primary, disregard the voters. That would be serving the election up to Trump on a silver platter, so to speak.

[JimL]

The problem is that KingsGambit falsely believes that Trump "told Pence not to bother helping/working with governors who criticize him." That's not true. Trump said, "I won't call them," but he never said or implied he won't help them or work with them to deliver necessary aid, and he never told Mike Pence not to, either. The idea, I guess, is that the only way that can be accomplished is if Trump calls them personally. Haven't they ever heard the phrase, "I'll have my people call your people"? Trump can do everything he needs to without ever picking up the phone himself.

Yes, he did imply that he wouldn't help, MM. That's exactly what the implication was! He tried to clean it up, (lie) when asked about the comment, but only true members of the cult of Trump would buy that spin.

[demi-conservative]

I am seriously bothered by the fact that Trump has outright said that he's told Pence not to bother helping/working with governors who criticize him. Given how many lives are at stake, I don't think I'm going overboard to call that behavior sociopathic.

I didn't think linking would be necessary given how incessantly the comments have been covered in the last two days

Fake News parrot, 'Don't call them, Pence. It's a waste of your time' is not the same as 'Don't help them ever'. Linking to full context is necessary given all the spin of Fake News, and you know that.