Red state/blue state and corona

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You can have something:

Fast, high quality, or cheap. Pick two.

Fast and high quality are not mutually exclusive, that is what engineers do in setting up the factory runs. Most producers of items like ventilators have set up production for the demand existing in normal times.

The production of the masks for health care workers is an example of production which is more or less fixed to the existing infrastructure because it depends on the producing of the appropriate textile.

What is a reasonable rate of return? How much extra returns ought 3M collect for masks because there is a pandemic?

What does the Trump family business accept as a return on investment for themselves?

[lilpixieofterror]

Fast and high quality are not mutually exclusive, that is what engineers do in setting up the factory runs. Most producers of items like ventilators have set up production for the demand existing in normal times.

The production of the masks for health care workers is an example of production which is more or less fixed to the existing infrastructure because it depends on the producing of the appropriate textile.

What is a reasonable rate of return? How much extra returns ought 3M collect for masks because there is a pandemic?

What does the Trump family business accept as a return on investment for themselves?

Making something faster means you need to increase your workforce, increase hours, or both. Which raise cost. You also have to consider parts issues and your subcontractors getting you those parts. You have increased machine usage and increased possible downtime issues. An increase in accidents that goes along with increases in hours with the fatigue it brings. Point is, you can’t just flip a switch and get more stuff out the other end, there’s a lag time in there before we start seeing the increased production.

[simplicio]

Making something faster means you need to increase your workforce, increase hours, or both. Which raise cost. You also have to consider parts issues and your subcontractors getting you those parts. You have increased machine usage and increased possible downtime issues. An increase in accidents that goes along with increases in hours with the fatigue it brings. Point is, you canÂ’t just flip a switch and get more stuff out the other end, thereÂ’s a lag time in there before we start seeing the increased production.

Very good, you are describing costs of goods sold. If you read the post(s), I asked about a rate of return. People have grabbed up toilet paper, hand sanitizer, masks to sell on ebay for profit. There is nothing immoral about profit. But is it moral to snatch up something like 10,000 bottles, clearing a tristate area, to sell at a tremendous markup? Their costs of goods sold is the price they paid at supermarkets; their return is the gain on the investment. The fear caused by this epidemic prompted people to pay exhorbitant sums for such goods.

3M has held their prices pretty much on masks.

What is a reasonable rate of return? What is a reasonable rate of return in the face of a crisis? What does the Trump family business consider a reasonable rate of return?

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It's not very clear to me why Cuomo is getting praised. The NY numbers seem terrible, and way way worse than places like Washington state where Inslee does actually seem to be doing a good job.

I think the response started out rocky (Cuomo's initial reaction to shutting down nonessential service was blistering), but has since been informed by medical people. His message has run counter to Trump's downplaying. Cuomo is candid about the problems faced by the state, hospitals, and front line workers, equally candid about the policies to address it.

Trump has hardly been candid, rather he attacks any critics. Cuomo is pretty combative, but has toned it down (NY State politics is in a class all its own, the rough and tumble nature of Albany makes for flamboyant and sharp tongues)

New Zealand (you might be familiar with the country, if not I can point it out on a map!) is close to succeeding with the epidemic (for now, who knows what will happen down the road) NZ took "early and decisive action. W Va's governor was posting 'eat at Bob Evans, its crowded" the day before closing them down.

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Red State Governor, Ron Desantis, claims covid-19 has not claimed anyone under 25.

Epidemics need policies driven by public health view, not political, election year, schtick.

[JimL]

Red State Governor, Ron Desantis, claims covid-19 has not claimed anyone under 25.

Epidemics need policies driven by public health view, not political, election year, schtick.

DeSantis is a bootlicking Trump lacky who didn't even set guideline policies until Trump gave him the go ahead late in the game.

[simplicio]

DeSantis is a bootlicking Trump lacky who didn't even set guideline policies until Trump gave him the go ahead late in the game.

And to think I enthusiastically supported his run for president.

[simplicio]

Florida has deemed professional wrestling to be an essential. I wonder if Fl is a red state or a blue state? By an extreme coincidence, Linda McMahon donated some 18 million dollars to Trump re election the same day De Santis deemed wrestling to be an essential. Maybe there is a public health rationale behind the decision, a rationale which escapes the public health professionals.

Maybe Florida is one of the states which doesn't have a problem with coronavirus, according to President Donald Trump.

South Florida hospitals are struggling to provide masks and essential PPE for its workers. At least De Santis is providing sound leadership for his state. Some Florida hospitals are now insolvent, needing state and federal money to operate.

Red state/blue state differences are becoming apparent now.

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Daniel Patrick summed up the sentiments of many,with his...curious statement: "There are more important things than living"

Have any Dems made similar statements?

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pro lifers have been insisting that life is the highest and most precious commodity of all. Now we have the message that some things are more important than living.

From what I have been reading, the politically conservative Christians have pretty much accepted this. Imagine if Obama had noted that life was secondary to other considerations. Which is why I believe that the Trump phenomenon signaled the death of the religious right movement, relegating it to a mere political movement and not a movement founded on bedrock, eternal, immutable, Christian principles.

[Sparko]

pro lifers have been insisting that life is the highest and most precious commodity of all. Now we have the message that some things are more important than living.

From what I have been reading, the politically conservative Christians have pretty much accepted this. Imagine if Obama had noted that life was secondary to other considerations. Which is why I believe that the Trump phenomenon signaled the death of the religious right movement, relegating it to a mere political movement and not a movement founded on bedrock, eternal, immutable, Christian principles.

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"there are more important things than living" Lt Gov Dan Patrick, Republican from Texas a red state.

What things are more important than living?

[Sparko]

"there are more important things than living" Lt Gov Dan Patrick, Republican from Texas a red state.

What things are more important than living?

Pro-life people don't believe there is nothing more important than life. Especially Christians who believe that giving up your life in sacrifice of others is the highest form of love. Most pro-life people will even support abortion when it comes to saving the life of the mother. Your argument is a strawman.

Also, you just inadvertently showed your hand that you are not a pro-life Christian after all, if you can misrepresent them so badly and then use that misrepresentation to take a dig at them.

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Pro-life people don't believe there is nothing more important than life. Especially a Christian who believe that giving up your life in sacrifice of others is the highest form of love. Most pro-life people will even support abortion when it comes to saving the life of the mother. Your argument is a strawman.

So economic considerations do top human life?

[Sparko]

So economic considerations do top human life?

So you are just going to ignore your previous strawman and keep going with a false dichotomy? lol.

Did you go to school to be a troll, or are you self-taught?