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  • #16
    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    If Christians were not allowed to take past wrongs into account, this would lead to conclusions we could not live with in the real world, even if we recognize forgiveness. To use an obvious example, if a man had abused a child, and had since been released from jail... yes, he's forgiven, but the church should still not let him be a youth leader.
    Yes, there are often lasting consequences that go along with sin - and those consequences don't simply disappear when somebody "gets saved" or "repents".
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
      There are a couple people I really struggle with how to forgive myself. I hope that the passage about as you forgive so shall it be forgive you isn't applied too harshly or I'm going to fry for eternity.

      Forgiveness is hard and I don't understand where the people who say forgiveness is easy are coming from.
      I think forgiveness comes easier when we are able to separate the "forgiving" from the "forgetting". If we allow the two to be tied together, it's often nearly impossible to 'forgive' while remembering the hurt. And remembering the hurt may help us avoid being similarly hurt (or allowing others to be similarly hurt) in the future.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Yes, there are often lasting consequences that go along with sin - and those consequences don't simply disappear when somebody "gets saved" or "repents".
        I always remember that Christ forgave the thief on the cross. The thief still died that day.
        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
          I always remember that Christ forgave the thief on the cross. The thief still died that day.
          EGGzackly. Though, I also like to add that this individual never did any of the things that many people wrongly (INOHBAO) associate with "need to do to get to Heaven"....

          tithe
          attend church
          good works
          be baptized
          witness
          evangelize...



          It was ALL on Jesus and trust in Him.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            I think there are some sins against people that are not forgivable, like a member of a family sexually molesting a child, but God will judge them, so they should find some comfort in that.

            I've come to realize that some of the hurts I have experienced were done in ignorance.

            It helps me to know that I am not perfect either.

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            • #21
              The Bible says that the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of the Holy Spirit, which is mentioned by Jesus after he cast a demon out of a man and the Pharisees accused him of doing it by Satan's power.

              He was confronting their deliberate rejection of what they knew to be from God. They refused to accept Jesus as the Son of God, ultimately rejecting the work of the Hoky Spirit in drawing them to repentance.

              The same passage says that anything else can be forgiven. Read Matthew 12, starting at v. 22.


              Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                The Bible says that the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of the Holy Spirit, which is mentioned by Jesus after he cast a demon out of a man and the Pharisees accused him of doing it by Satan's power.

                He was confronting their deliberate rejection of what they knew to be from God. They refused to accept Jesus as the Son of God, ultimately rejecting the work of the Hoky Spirit in drawing them to repentance.

                The same passage says that anything else can be forgiven. Read Matthew 12, starting at v. 22.
                Yes, all sins CAN be forgiven, but what do we have to do in order to HAVE them forgiven?

                Can Christians go on sinning since our sins have been paid for?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                  Yes, all sins CAN be forgiven, but what do we have to do in order to HAVE them forgiven?

                  Can Christians go on sinning since our sins have been paid for?
                  Well, Paul addresses this in Romans 6.

                  1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?

                  2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?


                  We still possess our sin nature after becoming a believer, and sadly, we still sin. John says that anyone who says they don't sin is a liar. But those sins are still covered by the blood of Christ. Our responsibility is to repent of those sins and with the strength of the Holy Spirit not continue to repeat them.

                  If someone commits a horrendous sin (in our eyes), and is a believer, or becomes a believer later, and they repent if that sin, they are forgiven.


                  Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                    Well, Paul addresses this in Romans 6.

                    1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?

                    2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?


                    We still possess our sin nature after becoming a believer, and sadly, we still sin. John says that anyone who says they don't sin is a liar. But those sins are still covered by the blood of Christ. Our responsibility is to repent of those sins and with the strength of the Holy Spirit not continue to repeat them.

                    If someone commits a horrendous sin (in our eyes), and is a believer, or becomes a believer later, and they repent if that sin, they are forgiven.
                    What if someone does not repent and does the same sin again.

                    I am wondering if some people who think they are Christians aren't really Christians.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                      What if someone does not repent and does the same sin again.

                      I am wondering if some people who think they are Christians aren't really Christians.
                      Perhaps if someone doesn't repent and continues to sin then the sincerity of their faith can be questioned. But only God knows that for sure.

                      I believe very strongly that many people who think they are Christians aren't. That's why Jesus will tell many in the last day, "Depart from Me, I never knew you".


                      Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                        Perhaps if someone doesn't repent and continues to sin then the sincerity of their faith can be questioned. But only God knows that for sure.

                        I believe very strongly that many people who think they are Christians aren't. That's why Jesus will tell many in the last day, "Depart from Me, I never knew you".
                        Yes.

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