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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    I'll admit it, I laughed.
    We had an older lady in our church - she was about 90, but SHARP as a tack, and lots of fun.
    One day she had been visiting the church office, she dropped off her tithe, and was checking to see what she could bake for an upcoming church social.
    When she was ready to leave, I walked her to the door, opened it for her, and as she stepped out onto the porch, I said, "Have a good day, Ms Smith".
    She SPUN AROUND with a very ANGRY look, stuck her bony finger in my face, and spurted "Young man, DON'T you tell me what kind of day to have!"

    I was stunned, didn't know what to say... then she started laughing and said "you kids are SO easy!!!"
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    On the other hand, why would Christian persons find a need to express ideas in ways that are mean and cruel? And even more to the point, why would they dig in and try to justify it when called on it?

    And before you go on a rampage against me personally, I'm calling out my own violations as well as others. I am NOT saying I haven't done the same thing.

    So I ask the question of ALL: Why do WE who name the name of Christ find it necessary to be rude, nasty, cruel, demeaning, etc when we are expressing what we believe to be true in these conversations?
    You tell me, you do it all the time and self righteously pretend you’re not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I asked a question because it doesn't appear he is an Evangelical -- capital E.



    That's an incredibly dishonest rendition of my actual quote which was...


    However, he probably won't even try to defend his goofy assertion that Fea is an Evangelical.



    And, yet again, the manure spreader malfunctioned and threw the whole load all at once!
    It was not any rendition, it was a question which pointed out the absurdity of asking for the credentials of John Fea. Just how can one demonstrate that anyone is an evangelical? It cannot be done, you and others always chime in with an objection.

    Why are you fixated on the capital E? The ambiguities of the English language come into play here, a religious group is typically capitalized, a descriptive of religious groups is not. Evangelical is both: Some point to definitions like a Bebbington square.

    Was MLK a Bible Christian or not? Could a black progressive Baptist preacher write Letter from a Birmingham Jail without resorting to plagiarism? Did MLK plagiarize his famous Letter? Are progressive Christians really saved? Does the Holy Spirit work among messengers at the annual conventions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    It was not any rendition, it was a question which pointed out the absurdity of asking for the credentials of John Fea. Just how can one demonstrate that anyone is an evangelical? It cannot be done, you and others always chime in with an objection.
    Then why identify him as an Evangelical? What purpose does that serve?

    Why are you fixated on the capital E?
    Fixated? In your little world, trying to point out the difference between an Evangelical and an evangelical is "fixation"?

    The ambiguities of the English language come into play here, a religious group is typically capitalized, a descriptive of religious groups is not. Evangelical is both: Some point to definitions like a Bebbington square.
    You'd say the same thing about Orthodox and orthodox -- it demonstrates your profound ignorance of things religious.

    Was MLK a Bible Christian or not? Could a black progressive Baptist preacher write Letter from a Birmingham Jail without resorting to plagiarism? Did MLK plagiarize his famous Letter? Are progressive Christians really saved? Does the Holy Spirit work among messengers at the annual conventions?
    This is cute - and I think you have me mixed up with another Evangelical. I am VERY unlikely to proclaim ANYBODY "not a Christian", and I have no reason to think that MKL was NOT a Christian. Perhaps if you were to dial back your anti-Christian bigotry just a tad, you could go back and look and see where I ever claimed that MLK was NOT a Christian.

    Why are you so angry?
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    What is the significant difference between the capital E and lower case e? Asking for a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvoUK View Post
    What is the significant difference between the capital E and lower case e? Asking for a friend.
    Quora handles that pretty well here.

    I’m an evangelical Christian (small-e), but not an Evangelical Christian (capital-E). The difference is this: “evangelical” means that we share the Gospel, the Good News about the redemption God offers through Jesus’ sacrifice. “Evangelical” refers to a specific set of views that have come to be lumped together since the latter half of the twentieth century, suggesting a particular agenda blending patriotism, religion, and politics.


    Pretty much, when you capitalize it, you're referring to the "right wing" evangelicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvoUK View Post
    What is the significant difference between the capital E and lower case e? Asking for a friend.
    On ethicsdaily.com distinguished Professor of Christian Theology and Ethics at Acadia University and Acadia Divinity College in Nova Scotia, William H. Brackney, describes it like this:

    There is another distinct usage that I want to comment upon. When one capitalizes “Evangelical,” it takes on another usage.

    This “Evangelical” denotes part of the coalition of churches, associations and denominations that were spawned by the Evangelical Alliance of the mid-19th century. It became fashionable to be part of an international coalition, to be in the doctrinally defined wing of major denominations: Evangelical Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Disciples, Baptists and so on.
    It from the article called: Are You Evangelical? Or Just evangelical?

    However, there are other usages of "Evangelical". Matthew W. Kingsbury wrote:

    Alert readers may have noticed the unusual capitalization of "Evangelical" and "Evangelicalism" in a couple of the articles. The stylebooks frown on this, because Evangelicalism is a movement and not an official body, but we do it to give Evangelicalism a kind of typographic equality with Catholicism and Orthodoxy. http://presbyteriancurmudgeon.blogsp...elicalism.html
    Turning to Merriam-Webster we see this:

    4 a capitalized : of or relating to the Evangelical Church in Germany
    b often capitalized : of, adhering to, or marked by fundamentalism : FUNDAMENTALIST
    c often capitalized : LOW CHURCH https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...al#other-words
    At First Things they write:

    We here at First Things capitalize “Evangelical,” not least because it so often appears alongside Catholic and we want a kind of visual parity, and also because they should not have the word to themselves. https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/fi...italize-or-not
    So you can tell your friend that the answer will, to some extent, depend on who you are asking.
    Last edited by Charles; 04-08-2020 at 01:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    So you can tell your friend that the answer will, to some extent, depend on who you are asking.
    It was my joy to educate you on the fact that there's actually a difference.

    You're welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It was my joy to educate you on the fact that there's actually a difference.

    You're welcome.
    It was my joy to educate you on the fact that the difference is actually not necessarily the one you suggested and that the use of capital "E" or not is certainly not as simple as you presented it in your answer based on quora.

    You're welcome.
    Last edited by Charles; 04-08-2020 at 01:57 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    It was my joy to educate you on the fact that the difference is actually not necessarily the one you suggested and that the use of capital "E" or not is certainly not as simple as you presented it in your answer based on quora.
    Regardless, there IS a difference, and the guy in your OP is NOT an Evangelical by ANY of those definitions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Messiah College historian John Fea, himself an Evangelical,...

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