Evangelicals full of fear

[Cow Poke]

Cow Poke, you make an unsported statement about his view and even when asked to support it you cannot.

Relax, Charles -- the OP simply did not ring true, so I spent some time looking into who John Fea is. That I have not YET provided any links does not in any way mean that I CANNOT or WILL NOT reveal my sources. I'm still looking into this, but Easter is kinda my busiest time of the year.

Patience, Charles.

[Cow Poke]

Relax, Charles -- the OP simply did not ring true, so I spent some time looking into who John Fea is. That I have not YET provided any links does not in any way mean that I CANNOT or WILL NOT reveal my sources. I'm still looking into this, but Easter is kinda my busiest time of the year.

Patience, Charles.

And I have an Emergency Management meeting all morning on Covid-19 responses, so don't expect anything til at least after lunch.

[Charles]

Relax, Charles -- the OP simply did not ring true, so I spent some time looking into who John Fea is. That I have not YET provided any links does not in any way mean that I CANNOT or WILL NOT reveal my sources. I'm still looking into this, but Easter is kinda my busiest time of the year.

Patience, Charles.

So, you start by simply making the claims and then after a while you will be at a point where you can provide a link or in any other way support your claim. That is such a trustworthy approach. And all the secresy only to divert from the simple points he made. But I understand that because of easter you only have time to make the irrelevant claim, not to support it.

If you are that buissy I wonder why you do not go straight to the point instead of taking focus away. It rather seems you are buissy taking focus away with whatever.

[oxmixmudd]

Where were evangelicals during the civil rights years?

That was then, this is now: When asked whether MLK was a Bible Christian, few could bring themselves to say that he was. And the poster who is the expert on all things Baptist cast doubt on the authorship of Letter from a Birmingham Jail, probably one of the greatest and profound Christian writings of the 20th century.

And given what evangelicals said about black Christians, a group of Christian who accept progressive Christianity and things like CRT (which is too triggerring for evangelicals here to discuss.

I do not think that American evangelicals are necessarily racist, but that they can look at racism and be blind to it. That is what Fea was referring to, in part.

There is a long history of Evangelicals ignoring certain kinds of moral issues. We can go back further, but keep in mind many Evangelicals hail from the Southern Baptist church, a denomination founded on being free as Christians to HOLD and MAINTAIN slaves. A denomination which as a whole was very slow to accept the equality of African Americans or to welcome them into their churches, and which has been very slow to accept the equality of women in ministry, very slow to issue statements condemning abusive statements and actions towards women by its own leaders. And I've watched how certain posters in this thread have demanded 'proof' of Fea's recognition of:

Source: Fea

"What's striking here is that evangelicals have in almost every circumstance where there's some kind of change in the culture, have not responded with hospitality to the stranger, with grace, with hope, with the idea that people who are different from them have been created in the image of God and have that dignity and worth.

© Copyright Original Source

It is as if those pretending proof is needed of Fea's observation are ignorant of their own history and positions during the Civil War, during the Suffrage movement, and during the Civil Rights movement - which - in fact -many are.

[Watermelon]

I don't believe I've done that.



So, not "tossing out the Bible" - just ignoring it.



As an Independent, I'm beholden to neither party.

[lilpixieofterror]

Where were evangelicals during the civil rights years?

That was then, this is now: When asked whether MLK was a Bible Christian, few could bring themselves to say that he was. And the poster who is the expert on all things Baptist cast doubt on the authorship of Letter from a Birmingham Jail, probably one of the greatest and profound Christian writings of the 20th century.

And given what evangelicals said about black Christians, a group of Christian who accept progressive Christianity and things like CRT (which is too triggerring for evangelicals here to discuss.

I do not think that American evangelicals are necessarily racist, but that they can look at racism and be blind to it. That is what Fea was referring to, in part.

Trolling again? As far as I know, most people alive in the civil rights era are dead or very old. Many attitudes towards MLK has to do with his adultery, so go troll elsewhere.

[Mountain Man]

questions for posters: Who knew about the clear distinctions of the differences between Evangelical and evangelical?

I personally didn't, but to those who do know, the distinction is important (words matter, you know), especially when Chuck used the designation in an attempt to puff up Fea's supposed credentials.

[Charles]

I personally didn't, but to those who do know, the distinction is important (words matter, you know), especially when Chuck used the designation in an attempt to puff up Fea's supposed credentials.

I see that you still have not understood that First Things among others use E all the time and that Cow Poke's quora definition by a random user was limited at best and in some cases wrong.

[Charles]

I personally didn't, [...]

So, you didn't know it. Which means the follow by Cow Poke would go for you too:

[...]You'd say the same thing about Orthodox and orthodox -- it demonstrates your profound ignorance of things religious.[...]

Just to add to the fun of it what Cow Poke provided about the distinction was certainly not spot on.

[Mountain Man]

It is as if those pretending proof is needed of Fea's observation are ignorant of their own history and positions during the Civil War, during the Suffrage movement, and during the Civil Rights movement - which - in fact -many are.

Is that what Fea is referring to? Historical evangelicals? Did you get that from the article that Chuck referenced, or is there another source of information you're using to reach this conclusion?

But I can't help but feel like this is not only a broad brush accusation (as if all evangelicals walk in lockstep), but also rather ignorant of US history. There was a time in the US not too long ago when you could throw a rock into a crowd and have an excellent chance of hitting someone who would have called himself a Christian, so to say that Christians opposed civil rights, suffrage, etc. ignores the fact that on the opposite side of the debate were just as many Christians who supported it.

[Mountain Man]

Just to add to the fun of it what Cow Poke provided about the distinction was certainly not spot on.

I suppose your implication here is that because I wasn't familiar with the distinction that I am therefore accused of being profoundly ignorant of things religious, but, no, that's not what Cow Poke is saying. I'll let you figure it out.

[Cow Poke]

So, you start by simply making the claims and then after a while you will be at a point where you can provide a link or in any other way support your claim.

As I said, Charles, I'm doing some research of my own, and don't see any urgency on this matter. What's the rush?

That is such a trustworthy approach. And all the secresy only to divert from the simple points he made. But I understand that because of easter you only have time to make the irrelevant claim, not to support it.

Yuh, that makes a whole lot of sense.

If you are that buissy I wonder why you do not go straight to the point instead of taking focus away. It rather seems you are buissy taking focus away with whatever.

Ya know, Charles - I wonder if you have more than just a language barrier.

[Cow Poke]

What political view am I supporting, exactly?

[Cow Poke]

I personally didn't, but to those who do know, the distinction is important (words matter, you know), especially when Chuck used the designation in an attempt to puff up Fea's supposed credentials.

That's the issue EGGzackly. Fea seems to be all about complaining about Evangelicals -- why would he want to identify as one when he's constantly finding fault with them?

[Cow Poke]

I see that you still have not understood that First Things among others use E all the time and that Cow Poke's quora definition by a random user was limited at best and in some cases wrong.

Charles - I gave ONE EXAMPLE which you seem to think was necessarily intended to be exhaustive and complete. You jump to such illogical conclusions.

George Barna does a good job of defining Evangelical: