I don't know why Chuck is still trying to defend his use of "Evangelical" when he admits that he made an "oops" and has subsequently claimed that he doesn't want to talk about it any more. For a guy who insists that he wants his thread to stay focused, he's taking it all over the place.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI don't know why Chuck is still trying to defend his use of "Evangelical" when he admits that he made an "oops" and has subsequently claimed that he doesn't want to talk about it any more. For a guy who insists that he wants his thread to stay focused, he's taking it all over the place.
Meanwhile, I've been finding this Fea fellow kind of interesting -- I'm beginning to see why Charles and his Tweb supporters like Fea. Fea appears to model the "acceptable" Christianity that Mayor Pete did.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostFea appears to model the "acceptable" Christianity that Mayor Pete did.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYep. I posted a link earlier where Fea said that Buttigeig's homosexuality was "much ado about nothing" because Republicans would never vote for him anyway. Do we get to apply that standard to Trump? "Any evils you think Trump has committed are much ado about nothing because you're not going to vote for him anyway." I wonder what Chuck thinks of that?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI don't know why Chuck is still trying to defend his use of "Evangelical" when he admits that he made an "oops" and has subsequently claimed that he doesn't want to talk about it any more. For a guy who insists that he wants his thread to stay focused, he's taking it all over the place."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCharles - I gave ONE EXAMPLE which you seem to think was necessarily intended to be exhaustive and complete. You jump to such illogical conclusions. [...]
And it seems you are still spending all your time focusing on the person, Fea, instead of the points he made in the opening post. Seems you still think you can avoid his points if he said other things in other contexts you or I would disagree with.
He must have said something you really find it hard to handle."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostTrolling again? As far as I know, most people alive in the civil rights era are dead or very old. Many attitudes towards MLK has to do with his adultery, so go troll elsewhere.
The attitudes toward MLK focused on adultery and his personal sins, when the question was asked "Was MLK a Bible Christian". But the views here about black Christians and black Baptists were expressed using negative connotations: black Christians and black evangelicals are more likely to emphasize group experiences, more likely to accept "progressive Christianity, more likely to accept ideas like CRT.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI personally didn't, but to those who do know, the distinction is important (words matter, you know), especially when Chuck used the designation in an attempt to puff up Fea's supposed credentials.
Charles was unaware of the distinction, therefore he is ignorant about the faith. Should we extend the same thinking towards your understanding of the faith?
Fea is an evangelical and a historian (an evangelical with academic chops?????), there was no "puffing up" of Fea's credentials. Here we have a case of an evangelical and an academic who wrote something suggesting that evangelical Christians have cause for reflection and introspection, and might not be the heroes of history they like to present themselves as. When an academic who is an evangelical writes something flattering of evangelical history, evangelicals do not challenges the credentials.
Mark Noll wrote Scandal of the Evangelical Mind a quarter century ago. Noll's observation are are laid bare here.
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Originally posted by Charles View Post...and since Cow Poke didn't do to well in that discussion....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View Post...It turned out that Cow Poke's idea about the distinction...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostFea is an evangelical...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post...demonstrated that you were wrong in claiming Fea was an Evangelical. That fact that you're too proud to admit it is not surprising in the least.
Another interesting thing to note is that now you both claim I was wrong and when I point out your description of the distinction was wrong or limited you claim it only was an example. So you do not want to take responsibility for providing a definition but still feel like what you provided was enough to determine right or wrong. Seems what you would like to claim you provided depends on the circumstances.
But then again, you have also made statements about Fea and failed to support them, even when asked."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI gave ONE EXAMPLE, then followed it up with more, Goofus.
Anyone can go and see that you certainly did not present it as an example: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post726805Last edited by Charles; 04-14-2020, 09:38 AM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostIt was not presented as an example at all.
Random user definitions on quora should not be taken at face value. Remember that next time.
What you posted, Charles, was a hit piece on Evangelicals by a guy who makes his living writing articles, blogging, and making speeches critical of Evangelicals, and YOU were dumb enough to identify HIM as an Evangelical. Great work!!!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThere is a long history of Evangelicals ignoring certain kinds of moral issues. We can go back further, but keep in mind many Evangelicals hail from the Southern Baptist church, a denomination founded on being free as Christians to HOLD and MAINTAIN slaves. A denomination which as a whole was very slow to accept the equality of African Americans or to welcome them into their churches, and which has been very slow to accept the equality of women in ministry, very slow to issue statements condemning abusive statements and actions towards women by its own leaders. And I've watched how certain posters in this thread have demanded 'proof' of Fea's recognition of:
It is as if those pretending proof is needed of Fea's observation are ignorant of their own history and positions during the Civil War, during the Suffrage movement, and during the Civil Rights movement - which - in fact -many are."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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