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Now the WHO wants to take our sick kids and other sick people right out of our homes
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Originally posted by JimYes, he's trying to pass off his incompetent response to the virus to anyone. First it was the states fault, now it was the W.H.O's fault. You see, nothing is ever Trumps fault, because he is a "very stable genius," and "only he can fix it."
I will give you this one comment, Jim, and that's it. If you or anyone else bring up Trump in this thread you will be asked to leave.
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Also, here is a transcript of the press conference on the WHO's own website:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=6b68bc4a_2"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Obviously unlike neutered Europe, this would never fly in an armed America, which is why a global war meant to take America out of the picture is required before they can get the communist, authoritarian world government they crave.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostHere's the full 65 minute video of the press conference (from the WHO's official YouTube account) if anybody feels like digging through it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v3v...ture=emb_title
Citing Tucker Carlson in itself doesn't add any actual context because he's just an opinion journalist who linked to the video and provided his opinion. However, he is the one who called attention to the story.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe additional scary point is that Dr. Ryan is not from a socialist or communist country. He is from Ireland, where we might expect respect for the family unit.
Funny how all the conservatives who were fine with separation of families and imprisonment/kidnapping of children on the US southern border, are suddenly clutching their family values and screaming "authoritarianism!" at the thought of a sick family member being in hospital for a couple of weeks."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostTrue respect for the family unit would be to have entire families get sick and die together??
Funny how all the conservatives who were fine with separation of families and imprisonment/kidnapping of children on the US southern border, are suddenly clutching their family values and screaming "authoritarianism!" at the thought of a sick family member being in hospital for a couple of weeks."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAlso, here is a transcript of the press conference on the WHO's own website:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=6b68bc4a_2
TJ Thank you very much. We have time for one or two more questions. I'll try Bloomberg and Naomi. Naomi, can you hear us?
NA Hi, yes, I can. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask; we've seen some different approaches to quarantine in China and in European countries with group quarantine used to good effect in China. Do you think that home quarantine will be as effective anywhere for people who are positive, or would central quarantine be needed in order to have the same success that China has had?
00:46:57
MK Hi, yes. Just so we get our terms right and we can explain ourselves properly, we tend to use the word isolation for someone who is a case, confirmed. We tend to use the word quarantine for someone who's at risk of being a case, usually a contact so on that basis we advise that all suspect cases are tested, and all suspect cases are isolated in an appropriate medical facility. I think nobody disagrees with that, where the capacity exists.
When we come to contacts it very much depends on the context and the intensity of any given moment. In low-incidence areas where there are sporadic cases or clusters, we advise that all contacts should be quarantined. Ideally that quarantine should occur in a place other than the home and for this reason, one, because if that person gets sick they may already have infected their family.
But that's not always possible so at least quarantining contacts at home with good health advice about not transmitting disease if they become sick and with regular monitoring of that individual is an option for countries. It is difficult to do that in the middle of intense transmission where you might have hundreds of thousands of contacts because you're having thousands of cases a day.
It is difficult to deal with that, so home quarantine of contacts is acceptable with appropriate information, education and more importantly a very rapid system of getting those people out of their homes if they become sick. I listened to the President of Singapore this morning as he had a conference call with the Director-General and the clarity of that in Singapore, that ability not only to isolate cases but to rapidly detect illness in the contacts and remove those contacts should they become sick was a central part of that.
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As he said, they're using apps now to do that, a testing app but they didn't do it with apps in Singapore. They did that with community workers, with public health workers visiting the houses, checking on people, checking their health status every day and saying, how are you, have you got a fever, have you got a cough? And if a contact had developed a cough or a fever they were taken immediately for testing.
So yes, we need the information technology tools, they help. They're not the solution. Right now we don't have an alternative to what we would have considered in the old days bootleather epidemiology; public health practitioners, doctors, nurses, community workers working with communities to detect cases at community level. The most likely person to become a case is someone who's been a significant contact of another case and at the moment in most parts of the world due to lock-down most of the transmission that's actually happening in many countries now is happening in the household at family level. In some senses transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units.
Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner so that's what I was saying previously; the transition from movement restrictions and shut-downs and stay-at-home orders can only be made if we have in place the means to be able to detect suspect cases, isolate confirmed cases, track contacts and follow up on the contacts' health at all times and then isolate any of those people who become sick themselves.
"Just so we get our terms right and we can explain ourselves properly, we tend to use the word isolation for someone who is a case, confirmed ... we advise that all suspect cases are tested, and all suspect cases are isolated in an appropriate medical facility ... where the capacity exists."
"Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner ..."
Ryan spoke about compassionately, and with dignity, moving people sick at home with covid into professional care if it was available. From there, it went to Tucker Carlson, who "presumed" it would be done by force. From there, it went to Rebel News, where it became the WHO coming to kidnap your children.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Postit became the WHO coming to kidnap your children."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by SLFunny how all the conservatives who were fine with separation of families and imprisonment/kidnapping of children on the US southern border, are suddenly clutching their family values and screaming "authoritarianism!" at the thought of a sick family member being in hospital for a couple of weeks.
Because this is a whole different thing.
Oh, and whataboutism. Thanks for that.
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There is, of course, a significant difference between separating a child from a parent who has broken the law, and forcibly removing members from a law abiding household.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostThanks for that. Please note the transcript mistakenly sources the remarks to MK, Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, rather than MR, Dr Michael Ryan.
TJ Thank you very much. We have time for one or two more questions. I'll try Bloomberg and Naomi. Naomi, can you hear us?
NA Hi, yes, I can. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask; we've seen some different approaches to quarantine in China and in European countries with group quarantine used to good effect in China. Do you think that home quarantine will be as effective anywhere for people who are positive, or would central quarantine be needed in order to have the same success that China has had?
00:46:57
MK Hi, yes. Just so we get our terms right and we can explain ourselves properly, we tend to use the word isolation for someone who is a case, confirmed. We tend to use the word quarantine for someone who's at risk of being a case, usually a contact so on that basis we advise that all suspect cases are tested, and all suspect cases are isolated in an appropriate medical facility. I think nobody disagrees with that, where the capacity exists.
When we come to contacts it very much depends on the context and the intensity of any given moment. In low-incidence areas where there are sporadic cases or clusters, we advise that all contacts should be quarantined. Ideally that quarantine should occur in a place other than the home and for this reason, one, because if that person gets sick they may already have infected their family.
But that's not always possible so at least quarantining contacts at home with good health advice about not transmitting disease if they become sick and with regular monitoring of that individual is an option for countries. It is difficult to do that in the middle of intense transmission where you might have hundreds of thousands of contacts because you're having thousands of cases a day.
It is difficult to deal with that, so home quarantine of contacts is acceptable with appropriate information, education and more importantly a very rapid system of getting those people out of their homes if they become sick. I listened to the President of Singapore this morning as he had a conference call with the Director-General and the clarity of that in Singapore, that ability not only to isolate cases but to rapidly detect illness in the contacts and remove those contacts should they become sick was a central part of that.
00:49:04
As he said, they're using apps now to do that, a testing app but they didn't do it with apps in Singapore. They did that with community workers, with public health workers visiting the houses, checking on people, checking their health status every day and saying, how are you, have you got a fever, have you got a cough? And if a contact had developed a cough or a fever they were taken immediately for testing.
So yes, we need the information technology tools, they help. They're not the solution. Right now we don't have an alternative to what we would have considered in the old days bootleather epidemiology; public health practitioners, doctors, nurses, community workers working with communities to detect cases at community level. The most likely person to become a case is someone who's been a significant contact of another case and at the moment in most parts of the world due to lock-down most of the transmission that's actually happening in many countries now is happening in the household at family level. In some senses transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units.
Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner so that's what I was saying previously; the transition from movement restrictions and shut-downs and stay-at-home orders can only be made if we have in place the means to be able to detect suspect cases, isolate confirmed cases, track contacts and follow up on the contacts' health at all times and then isolate any of those people who become sick themselves.
"Just so we get our terms right and we can explain ourselves properly, we tend to use the word isolation for someone who is a case, confirmed ... we advise that all suspect cases are tested, and all suspect cases are isolated in an appropriate medical facility ... where the capacity exists."
"Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner ..."
Ryan spoke about compassionately, and with dignity, moving people sick at home with covid into professional care if it was available. From there, it went to Tucker Carlson, who "presumed" it would be done by force. From there, it went to Rebel News, where it became the WHO coming to kidnap your children.
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