Thanks to Trump there�s a Hydroxychloroquine Shortage

[Charles]

Yes, you read that correctly. Here is the entire title:


No name calling in this thread. Posts must be on topic and not about my person.

[Mountain Man]

It's Trump's fault! It's all Trump's fault!

[Cow Poke]

It's Trump's fault! It's all Trump's fault!

No name calling. Check
On topic. Check
Not about Charles' person. Check

You such a good boy!

[mikewhitney]

It is good that we have confirmation of the effectiveness of Chloroquine. We definitely need to step of production of this.

The results from doctors who have used this with patients is still a good starting point for advocacy of the drug.

Other people who have had an ongoing need for this may have to sacrifice a bit in light of the epidemic. We all have been asked to sacrifice a lot.

[demi-conservative]

Hydroxychloroquine is a recommended treatment by many countries, and many doctors see it as the best so far. The shortage is Trump's fault?

TDS strikes again.

[Mountain Man]

Hydroxychloroquine is a recommended treatment by many countries, and many doctors see it as the best so far. The shortage is Trump's fault?

TDS strikes again.

Of course it's Trump's fault, because he's the most powerful man in the world. When he says, "Jump!" other world leaders say, "How high, sir?"

[mossrose]

I just got some prescriptions refilled. I usually get 3 months worth at a time. I am now only able to get 1 month at a time, because stupid people hoard their prescriptions and stupid doctors renew those scripts before they need to be renewed.

The problem is stupid people, and not President Trump. The problem is the manufacturer, and not President Trump. The manufacturer should have upped their production as soon as the word got out that the drug might be a treatment for the Wuhan virus. Because people are going to be stupid and hoard it if they can get it from stupid doctors who will wantonly renew those scripts. Leaving other people who need the drug for other purposes in short supply.

You cannot possibly blame President Trump for the shortage of the drugs that I need. You can't blame him for the shortsightedness of the makers of chloroquine in light of the fact that this news about the drug was made public quite a while ago. By Trump, btw, and everybody ignored him and said he was "BAD" for suggesting the drug and they still call him "BAD" even though there is not evidence that it might at the very least help.

[Bill the Cat]

There's been a shortage from time to time for years:

2020:
https://www.ashp.org/Drug-Shortages/...il.aspx?id=646

2019:
https://www.lupusuk.org.uk/hydroxych...prescriptions/

2014:
https://www.46brooklyn.com/research/...es-up-stays-up

So, manufacturers, supply and demand, and pricing all cause shortages. Not Trump.

[Sparko]

Trump is responsible for the toilet paper hoarding too!

[firstfloor]

Trump is such a notorious nut-job, it surprises me that anyone takes his advice on anything.

[mikewhitney]

Trump is responsible for the toilet paper hoarding too!

And spaghetti. Don't forget that something must enter the body in order for something to exit it.

[Starlight]

And the thing is, there's not very convincing evidence that hydroxychloroquine actually does anything useful for COVID cases. The original study suggesting it might was full of methodological flaws and authorities are backing away from it fast. Might be time to put "hydroxychloroquine might cure COVID" into the "vaccines might cause autism" basket.

I posted this on another thread a couple of weeks ago:

The lesser problem with the French study was that the control and treatment group weren't randomized - they were at different geographical locations.

The greater problem with the French study is that 3 or 4 patients in the treatment group got seriously worse and had to be transferred to the ICU (one died!), and were, bizarrely, omitted from their published statistics about their treatment group as a result! When people die on your miracle cure, it isn't a miracle cure, and not reporting it properly is negligent.

But I see a new article about this today that shows others have spotted the problems too:

CDC quietly deletes hydroxychloroquine guidance as study hyped by Trump comes into question - The publisher of a French study cited by Trump put out a statement announcing it did not meet "expected standards"

[mikewhitney]

And the thing is, there's not very convincing evidence that hydroxychloroquine actually does anything useful for COVID cases. The original study suggesting it might was full of methodological flaws and authorities are backing away from it fast. Might be time to put "hydroxychloroquine might cure COVID" into the "vaccines might cause autism" basket.

I posted this on another thread a couple of weeks ago:
But I see a new article about this today that shows others have spotted the problems too:

CDC quietly deletes hydroxychloroquine guidance as study hyped by Trump comes into question - The publisher of a French study cited by Trump put out a statement announcing it did not meet "expected standards"

Source: https://www.salon.com/2020/04/08/cdc-quietly-deletes-hydroxychloroquine-guidance-as-study-hyped-by-trump-is-called-into-question/

"What disturbed me the most was when I was seeing not political officials say these medications are safe but seeing on the news cardiologists and infectious disease specialists say [hydroxychloroquine] is completely safe without even mentioning this rare side effect," he told NBC News, noting that a recent study found that 11% of coronavirus patients receiving the drug cocktail were at risk for cardiac side effects. "This particular medicine is probably the only medication I know of that has become a Republican or a Democrat medication. That's just crazy."

Most of the severe coronavirus cases that require ICU treatment often involve patients with serious underlying conditions.

"Yes, these medications overall are really, really safe, so in that sense the president is right," Ackerman said. "But really safe in a population sense doesn't mean that drug is going to be safe enough for the particular patient I'm about to tre

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The medicine still sounds worthwhile for use with many situations of severe illness. It is useful to point out where use of the chloroquine is counterindicated. And people should not just take this for fear of the virus. However, this emergency use of chloroquine still is reasonable.

[Bill the Cat]

Quite a few doctors are giving it as part of a treatment regiment because its side effects are minimal and already understood.

[NorrinRadd]

Days or weeks before Bad Orange Man started touting it, Laura Ingraham mentioned it. She was an early advocate because she's had personal experience using it when she's traveled to Africa. Her health experts -- Dr. Stephen Smith (infectious diseases) and Dr. Oskoui (Johns Hopkins cardiologist) -- advocate for its use, but only under care of physicians that know how to pre-screen and continuously monitor for certain heart issues. Dr. Oz has been all over Fox News -- especially Fox and Friends and Hannity, I think -- advocating it, with the same cautions.

It's safe in the right patients with the right doctors.

When it is used, the doctors using it say it works better when started early, or even prophylactically, than as a nearly-last resort.