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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Where on earth have you been for the last several weeks?
    Where has your brain been, simple one? Governors all claim state-federal distinction, state has jurisdiction over internal state affairs, which obviously includes state hospitals and supplies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Trouble is, when they look at they roles Jared and Ivanka have, they break out in laughter.
    Who cares? They still look at us. No one is tuning in to see what Australia is doing. For better or worse, the US is the world's leader.

    When they listen to our reality-TV-star-in-chief, they first are bewildered, then they start laughing.
    And I'm sure the "filter" of the MSM doesn't flatter him either.


    And when we next sign onto an international agreement, they will also wonder if the US is joking or being the joke.
    Yeah, right. Yet, at the first sign of trouble, all eyes turn to the US. We lead. The rest of the world follows. That's the life of a superpower.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Who cares? They still look at us. No one is tuning in to see what Australia is doing. For better or worse, the US is the world's leader.

    And I'm sure the "filter" of the MSM doesn't flatter him either.

    Yeah, right. Yet, at the first sign of trouble, all eyes turn to the US. We lead. The rest of the world follows. That's the life of a superpower.
    More likely they are tuning into what south Korea is doing, and what China is doing, as well as what supplies are available through China, who is creating a lot of goodwill across the world.

    Not anymore. The US signed onto the IHR, then abandoned the agreement. The US burned through a lot of goodwill on this pandemic, goodwill that it will have a difficult time regaining it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    More likely they are tuning into what south Korea is doing, and what China is doing, as well as what supplies are available through China, who is creating a lot of goodwill across the world.
    You're insane. China is to blame for this whole mess. They aren't creating good will.

    Not anymore. The US signed onto the IHR, then abandoned the agreement.
    Because the WHO, and Tedros in specific, is a stoolie for China. A top WHO doctor could not even bring himself to say whether Hong Kong was a sovereign island in an interview, and hung up on the reporter asking the question.

    The US burned through a lot of goodwill on this pandemic, goodwill that it will have a difficult time regaining it.
    It has nothing to do with "goodwill" and everything to do with power and influence. No one has to like us to still know that we butter the bread.


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    Basically, liberals are desperate to convince themselves that everybody hates Trump as much as they do. It's rather silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    You're insane. China is to blame for this whole mess. They aren't creating good will.

    Because the WHO, and Tedros in specific, is a stoolie for China. A top WHO doctor could not even bring himself to say whether Hong Kong was a sovereign island in an interview, and hung up on the reporter asking the question.

    It has nothing to do with "goodwill" and everything to do with power and influence. No one has to like us to still know that we butter the bread.
    China made some bad decisions. And we made the same bad decisions. They are not to blame, people expect China to have been able to recognize the proper course of action early on: lock down and quarantine. In the US, we resisted the same policies, even after it is obvious what this epidemic can cost.

    They are shipping medical supplies across the world, pointing out that the US intercepted exports and had them returned to the US. The symbolism is apparent to many in the developing world. The developing world depends on international agencies like the WHO, and the US is threatening to cut funding. There will likely be a second wave next year, if this follows the Spanish flu of a century ago. China is capitalizing on the fact that the US is not offering an alternative, rather withdrawing its support while China is ramping up its own foreign assistance in this new cold war between China and US.

    We have weakened NATO and prodded the Europeans to pursue more foreign policy initiatives independent of the US. We have been threatening to withhold the butter, and countries are no longer seeing the US as committed to their welfare. In the past, we recognized that international response to epidemics was best battled on the front lines when and where the epidemic started. Ebola was one example. And WHO played a role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    You're insane. China is to blame for this whole mess. They aren't creating good will.



    Because the WHO, and Tedros in specific, is a stoolie for China. A top WHO doctor could not even bring himself to say whether Hong Kong was a sovereign island in an interview, and hung up on the reporter asking the question.



    It has nothing to do with "goodwill" and everything to do with power and influence. No one has to like us to still know that we butter the bread.
    Who do you think is sending aid and supplies tight now to the third world countries? Hint: itís not the US.

    Like simplicio said, compare now to the actual leadership role the US played during the ebola crisis under Obama. Leadership in the global stage isnít just some right thatís bestowed on the strongest nation.

    Goodwill creates power and influence and China is taking this opportunity to fill the space created by the incompetence and weakness of the trump administration and the more the US alienated themselves the more power and influence they will lose to them.

    Instead of complaining about China all day, this should be a call to action for the trump administration if remaining the global leader is something important to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Basically, liberals are desperate to convince themselves that everybody hates Trump as much as they do. It's rather silly.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-in-10-charts/

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    To me, this is the telling graph in your link:



    Yikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    To me, this is the telling graph in your link:



    Yikes!
    Europeans: confidence in Obama to do the right thing for the world!

    Obama: starts wars that ends with Europe flooded with refugees and '''''''''''''refugees'''''''''''''''

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