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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe thread has drifted into the name calling mudslinging pig sti.
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I watched the video, and it remains hypothetical, and circumstantial evidence does not stand the test of evidence. There is no record of lab personnel getting the virus early, The consumption of the wild animals and the transmission of coronaviruses to humans has a long history. This one just started a pandemic.
The genetic research publications I presented are based on science, and the conclusions are most likely natural origins. The most likely animal has matching DNA and is sold and consumed in Wuhan via the Wuhan market.
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Last edited by seanD; 04-18-2020, 11:02 AM.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostJust out of curiosity, and this is a legit question because I honestly don't know, but has the direct transfer of a virus from a animal (mammal) to a human actually been demonstrated.
[quote] -- like in a controlled research lab under direct observation? And if so, can someone direct me to that study? Every time I come across material about this subject, italways seems to be based on theory.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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[QUOTE=shunyadragon;729806]It is common for viruses to migrate from host to host within the animal kingdom including humans naturally. Bird and swine flues are direct transfers from animals to humans naturally.
-- like in a controlled research lab under direct observation? And if so, can someone direct me to that study? Every time I come across material about this subject, it
Yes, lab workers have been contaminated by viruses and got sick before, but this is the same process of transfer anywhere. As far as deliberate transfer in the lab it is possible, but hypothetical with no evidence of this happening at present in the Wuhan lab.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostAs easily as I can recognize the dishonesty behind a quote mine. Howzbout you, piglet?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostCowpoke truncated the post. It was dishonest. But since CP is a "good" Christian, it is excused.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostJust out of curiosity, and this is a legit question because I honestly don't know, but has the direct transfer of a virus from a animal (mammal) to a human actually been demonstrated -- like in a controlled research lab under direct observation? And if so, can someone direct me to that study? Every time I come across material about this subject, it always seems to be based on theory.
It happens frequently to farmers dealing with livestock (even in developed countries) when the animals catch one of the many, many, diseases that are transmissible to humans and which the farmers then themselves catch. The vast majority of the time this happens, that disease is not transmissible from human to human.
An example of a zoonotic you will be familiar with is Rabies, where a dog or other infected animal, bites a human, and passes Rabies to them by doing so."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by seanD View PostCan you cite the study where virus cross-species of mammals (from animal to human) was observed? That's what I'm asking.
This an example of one of many research on specific transmission:
Last edited by shunyadragon; 04-18-2020, 04:39 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI am not sure what you call observed. The closest is they have followed flus in recent history, and found the same genetic match in the animal of origin as found in humans, such as bird and swine flus, and have followed the host to host transfer of the viruses. It is part of the way they develop vaccines. As in China they have developed the closest match as the coronavirus found in the Pangolin. There are other in fact, many different coronaviruses, in the animals and humans, but this is the only close match. This is the same as following viruses in human populations.
This an example of one of many research on specific transmission:
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostAm I the only one who dislikes a quoted wall of text from any poster on any given subject? More so if some ass then quotes the whole thing and only responds with only a small paragraph of a reply or less that barely touches on the topic?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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[QUOTE=seanD;729807]Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt is common for viruses to migrate from host to host within the animal kingdom including humans naturally. Bird and swine flues are direct transfers from animals to humans naturally.
Can you cite the study where virus cross-species of mammals (from animal to human) was observed? That's what I'm asking.
The USDA and CDC catalogs flu viruses is this nation's swine herd and poultry flocks to track potential human flu sources. some virus do not jump species, others do. The genetic sequences form a trail of sorts, allowing scientists to determine parent strains, and when and where mutations happened.
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostAm I the only one who dislikes a quoted wall of text from any poster on any given subject? More so if some ass then quotes the whole thing and only responds with only a small paragraph of a reply or less that barely touches on the topic?
seanD asked a question about specific evidence for the transmission of viruses from animals to humans, I gave him the brief answer, and he was not satisfied, therefore I provided the article. There are actually many articles.Last edited by shunyadragon; 04-18-2020, 06:51 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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[QUOTE=simplicio;729889]Originally posted by seanD View Post
I am not aware of any study on covid-19, but it is felt to be a zoonotic disease, one that has passed from animals to humans. Other corona viruses are zoonotic such as the SARS epidemic. The same virus is shed into the air from an animal, and animals and humans can be infected. Not sure if any studies are actually needed. flu and corinaviruses have made the species jump. This current CoV-2 has jumped species. It is in pangolins and a few bat species in the wild.
The USDA and CDC catalogs flu viruses is this nation's swine herd and poultry flocks to track potential human flu sources. some virus do not jump species, others do. The genetic sequences form a trail of sorts, allowing scientists to determine parent strains, and when and where mutations happened.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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