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Christianity and Conspiracies 2.
"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillTags: None
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Originally posted by KingsGambit
We already see that the there was no way that a million people ever were going to die in the states. People would be dying in thousands in their homes, having been infected and bearing the results. So we see the predominant story has been incorrect. Then the governors acted in supposed panic to fix things -- but they will end up causing more deaths through the economic effects on society. Are we not supposed to question this or question their motives? Are we not to question their motives when government leaders are constantly using this disaster to speak against Trump while these fools are promoting socialist change? I don't find Stetzer offering any wisdom here.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe article seems to promote the idea that you can call something a conspiracy so there is no reason to investigate that claim. It is easy to call all debate issues as conspiracy. Anything that is not in the predominant story then is put aside with a trigger word instead of logic. I don't see where Stetzer has investigated the debate to see if the predominant story is correct.
We already see that the there was no way that a million people ever were going to die in the states. People would be dying in thousands in their homes, having been infected and bearing the results. So we see the predominant story has been incorrect. Then the governors acted in supposed panic to fix things -- but they will end up causing more deaths through the economic effects on society. Are we not supposed to question this or question their motives? Are we not to question their motives when government leaders are constantly using this disaster to speak against Trump while these fools are promoting socialist change? I don't find Stetzer offering any wisdom here.
I know one guy who likes to post evidence for Christianity on Facebook, and he also has been posting that nonsense about Hillary Clinton molesting children in the basement of a pizza parlor (using such arguments such as that one person's last name translates to something similar to "children" in another language). If I weren't a Christian, I wouldn't pay attention to anything he said about Jesus either."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe gospel of Jesus Christ is of infinitely more importance than any individual political issue. All Christians are public spokespersons for Christ whether they like it or not, so there is certainly wisdom in taking the time to research whether what information one promotes on other issues is accurate or well supported rather than throwing it out there.
I know one guy who likes to post evidence for Christianity on Facebook, and he also has been posting that nonsense about Hillary Clinton molesting children in the basement of a pizza parlor (using such arguments such as that one person's last name translates to something similar to "children" in another language). If I weren't a Christian, I wouldn't pay attention to anything he said about Jesus either.
The other choice then is to let people suffer needlesly so umm that I can preserve my Christian reputation.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostI have noted my reluctance to bring up certain debates into tweb, but I felt there are important facts and evidence we need to know which are not being promoted by the MSM. I felt it would be negligent of my duty to let media panic predominate without some debate. (If no one checks further into the details, that is not in my ability to change that.) The choice made was with strong concern about the effect on my reputation. I wished to preserve my reputation for important findings I have concerning our understanding of Romans and Galatians. (The findings are about the context and flow of the letters.) It is these topics where Christians can at least debate whether these findings overcome many of the difficulties encountered in these letters.
The other choice then is to let people suffer needlesly so umm that I can preserve my Christian reputation.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe article seems to promote the idea that you can call something a conspiracy so there is no reason to investigate that claim. It is easy to call all debate issues as conspiracy. Anything that is not in the predominant story then is put aside with a trigger word instead of logic.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIf I weren't a Christian, I wouldn't pay attention to anything he said about Jesus either.
Paul is clear that the gospel is madness by the standards this world. Those who want to appear '''''''''''reasonable'''''''''''''' by worldly standards, why should any one care?Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post'Conspiracy theory' is just a label for well-trained parrots. Lab-leaked virus was a conspiracy theory in January but now rehabilitated because Pompeo is supporting it?
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIndeed. This is a perverse generation of manipulators -- who speak lies and expect the world to go in a panic or who reject other conspiracy theories while purporting their own.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostPerverse generation aside, the issue here is Christians like KingsGambit who want to be respectable by the world's standards, then criticise other Christians for not being '''''''''respectable'''''' and promoting 'crazy theories'.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostPerverse generation aside, the issue here is Christians like KingsGambit who want to be respectable by the world's standards, then criticise other Christians for not being '''''''''respectable'''''' and promoting 'crazy theories'.Have You Touched Grass Today? If Not, Please Do.
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Robert Morey... the guy who suggested nuking Mecca, right?
Shortly before he died, he showed up in one of my online theology Facebook groups, using profanity and making physical threats against people he disagreed with (then he actually said he wanted to show up at a theology conference to "rumble"). We had to kick him out.Last edited by KingsGambit; 05-29-2020, 02:09 PM."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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If we believe the bible, that everyone's heart is bent towards wickedness, that would be proof in and of itself that conspiracies exist? I typically use that as the framework. IOW, the erroneous idea that humans wouldn't conspire to perform a heinous act (no matter how heinous it is against other human beings) because of morality pretty much goes out the window based on scripture. And it's logical to assume that wealthy and powerful folks are no less immoral than poor less powerful folks. And the more wealth and power behind the conspiracy, the bigger the conspiracy probably is. Now all that is needed is actual proof for the conspiracy, which is the difficult part, since present conspiracies are... well... kept secret (until they're exposed later when the conspiracy has already been orchestrated and the perps are usually dead).
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