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    US Warned Israel about Coronavirus in November

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-ale...vember-report/


    US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China already in November, Israeli television reported Thursday.

    According to Channel 12 news, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of that month and drew up a classified document.

    Information on the disease outbreak was not in the public domain at that stage — and was known only apparently to the Chinese government.

    US intelligence informed the Trump administration, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel, specifically the IDF.


    But I thought it was all China and WHO's fault Trump was caught flat footed?

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    Hasn't this already been denied?

    ABC News reported earlier Wednesday that the National Center for Medical Intelligence, a branch of the Defense Intelligence Agency, compiled information in November warning that a new virus was spreading through China's Wuhan region.

    A defense official denied any such report existed, telling CNN, "NCMI and the Defense Intelligence Agency spent considerable time over the last 24 hours examining every possible product that could have been identified as related to this topic and have found no such product."

    The Pentagon also issued a statement denying the ABC News report late Wednesday.

    "As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," Colonel Dr. R. Shane Day, director of the National Center for Medical Intelligence, said.

    Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Hyten seemed to push back on reports that the US intelligence community was aware of the coronavirus in November, saying Thursday that the first intelligence reports he saw were in January.

    Asked when the first intelligence streams about the virus began to arrive, Hyten said, "We went back and looked at everything in November, December. The first indication we have were the reports out of China in late December that were in the public forum. And the first intel reports I saw were in January.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-ale...vember-report/


    US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China already in November, Israeli television reported Thursday.

    According to Channel 12 news, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of that month and drew up a classified document.

    Information on the disease outbreak was not in the public domain at that stage — and was known only apparently to the Chinese government.

    US intelligence informed the Trump administration, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel, specifically the IDF.


    But I thought it was all China and WHO's fault Trump was caught flat footed?
    Shenanigans are afoot. Being that intelligence entities have such incredible integrity and credibility (sarc) I don't know who to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Shenanigans are afoot. Being that intelligence entities have such incredible integrity and credibility (sarc) I don't know who to believe.
    What this is supposed to achieve? The reality is that many countries dithered in February and want to blame China for not warning them earlier and giving them more time to dither. Now they're saying they knew in November and dithered since November?
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    What this is supposed to achieve. The reality is that many countries dithered in February and want to blame China for not warning them earlier and giving them more time to dither. Now they're saying they knew in November and dithered since November?
    I don't know about you but, if this story is true, it puts US intelligence in a damning light than anyone. How did they know this was happening this early when it hadn't even linked to the public yet? Perhaps they had spies on the ground in china, but again, this just looks really funky. Of course, that's assuming the story is true. They don't seem to reference any sources for this info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I don't know about you but, if this story is true, it puts US intelligence in a damning light than anyone. How did they know this was happening this early when it hadn't even linked to the public yet? Perhaps they had spies on the ground in china, but again, this just looks really funky. Of course, that's assuming the story is true. They don't seem to reference any sources for this info.
    The original story looked just like another hit job on the Trump administration, anonymous sources saying 'we gave them intelligence on the virus in November and Trump ignored it' that was quickly denied. So I thought it was over.

    Then this new story...are they trying a hit job on Netanyahu now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Hasn't this already been denied?
    That article is from a week ago whereas mine is new reporting out of Israel.

    Regardless, when Trump (cited in your CNN article) says this


    On Wednesday, Trump said that he only learned about the seriousness of the coronavirus "just prior" to enacting US travel restrictions on China that took effect February 2.


    you know you can discount the denials coming out of the executive -- the seriousness of Coronavirus was already widely known late December / early January. Whenever it was that Dr. Dena Grayson started sounding the alarm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    That article is from a week ago whereas mine is new reporting out of Israel.
    A discounted '''''anonymous sources'''''' story about intelligence got no traction in the US, so now they're repeating in Israel?

    Regardless, when Trump (cited in your CNN article) says this


    On Wednesday, Trump said that he only learned about the seriousness of the coronavirus "just prior" to enacting US travel restrictions on China that took effect February 2.


    you know you can discount the denials coming out of the executive -- the seriousness of Coronavirus was already widely known late December / early January. Whenever it was that Dr. Dena Grayson started sounding the alarm.
    So are we supposed to discount Fauci when he said on 29 Feb that it looked like no big deal for the US? Is Trump supposed to follow random doctors on Twitter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    A discounted '''''anonymous sources'''''' story about intelligence got no traction in the US, so now they're repeating in Israel?
    This is original reporting come out of Israel by an Israeli news source which is highly rated for accuracy. Take it up with them.



    So are we supposed to discount Fauci when he said on 29 Feb that it looked like no big deal for the US?
    No, you should discount those who lie about what he said.


    Is Trump supposed to follow random doctors on Twitter?
    She's not a random doctor. Here is one relevant part from her biography


    In 2010, Grayson founded MedExpert Consulting, a biotechnology consulting company, where she helped research and develop BCX4430, a broad-spectrum antiviral drug that is active against Ebola, Marburg, Yellow Fever, Zika, and other deadly viral diseases.


    She is a highly relevant expert who was sounding the alarm since the very early days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    This is original reporting come out of Israel by an Israeli news source which is highly rated for accuracy. Take it up with them.
    Media/Bias Fact Check? Wasn't that carped's trusted source?

    No, you should discount those who lie about what he said.

    She's not a random doctor. Here is one relevant part from her biography


    In 2010, Grayson founded MedExpert Consulting, a biotechnology consulting company, where she helped research and develop BCX4430, a broad-spectrum antiviral drug that is active against Ebola, Marburg, Yellow Fever, Zika, and other deadly viral diseases.


    She is a highly relevant expert who was sounding the alarm since the very early days.
    As always, you are clueless and don't know what you are actually arguing. If this '''''''expert'''''''''' doctor knew it was so serious in "late December/early January", if it was so "widely known" then, why didn't the CDC know and sound the alarm in early Jan? Why did Fauci and the rest of the real ''''''''''''''experts'''''''''''''' know and sound the alarm in early Jan?

    The answer is, as I have argued previously, that the CDC screwed up and so did most of the ''''''''''experts'''''''''''. It was not "widely known" then.
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