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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    If they get caked up, then they are working better when damp.
    Many, if not most, generally take off their mask when it gets hard to breath, which is problem with the medical, N95 masks. The resistance to air flow makes it difficult to breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Many, if not most, generally take off their mask when it gets hard to breath, which is problem with the medical, N95 masks. The resistance to air flow makes it difficult to breath.
    That's not what was said initially. You said when it gets damp it stops blocking virus. It seems to block better as it gets damp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    That's not what was said initially. You said when it gets damp it stops blocking virus. It seems to block better as it gets damp.
    But the discussion is about how useful masks are as used by the general population, those without training.

    It seems to block what better as it gets damp or caked up? It restricts airflow, but allows a channel for the very small particulates the size of a virus to follow the moisture into the lungs, deep into the lungs as the wearer struggles to breathe.

    I did not say that at all, Sparko. I said that as the mask gets damp, the viruses more easily travel through the mask.

    The weird part is that just a month ago I had a discussion with Rogue and pixie about the efficacy of washing down carts. They argued that anything less than sterile procedures was not worthwhile, I argued that it provided a pragmatic albeit a lesser level of protection and so appropriate.

    The masks are a lower level of protection, and wearers should be cognizant of the shortfalls if they are worn for protection (as opposed to wearing them to meet rules mandated by local governments to be able to walk into stores).

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Many, if not most, generally take off their mask when it gets hard to breath, which is problem with the medical, N95 masks. The resistance to air flow makes it difficult to breath.
    Most of the people I saw wearing medical masks at Costco that day solved that problem by leaving the metal strip across the nose straightened out to let air through the gaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaFille View Post
    Most of the people I saw wearing medical masks at Costco that day solved that problem by leaving the metal strip across the nose straightened out to let air through the gaps.
    I've seen few people wearing medical masks in public. A few were dust masks, but most are some home made.

    Your observation shows why the public health community is divided on the question of masks, the average person subverts the very purpose of the mask! and truth be told, so do some health care workers. Wearing them for long periods is a pain, especially with strenuous activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    I've seen few people wearing medical masks in public. A few were dust masks, but most are some home made.

    Your observation shows why the public health community is divided on the question of masks, the average person subverts the very purpose of the mask! and truth be told, so do some health care workers. Wearing them for long periods is a pain, especially with strenuous activity.
    Yeah they get very hot if you have to wear them for any length of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    But the discussion is about how useful masks are as used by the general population, those without training.

    It seems to block what better as it gets damp or caked up? It restricts airflow, but allows a channel for the very small particulates the size of a virus to follow the moisture into the lungs, deep into the lungs as the wearer struggles to breathe.

    I did not say that at all, Sparko. I said that as the mask gets damp, the viruses more easily travel through the mask.

    The weird part is that just a month ago I had a discussion with Rogue and pixie about the efficacy of washing down carts. They argued that anything less than sterile procedures was not worthwhile, I argued that it provided a pragmatic albeit a lesser level of protection and so appropriate.

    The masks are a lower level of protection, and wearers should be cognizant of the shortfalls if they are worn for protection (as opposed to wearing them to meet rules mandated by local governments to be able to walk into stores).
    and yet humidity and heat kill the virus. I don't think that the virus travels more easily through a damp mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Yeah they get very hot if you have to wear them for any length of time.
    Not just hot but they seem to restrict air flow. My job often requires some physical labor and I tire out quick when I'm wearing one. It's like working at a high elevation withy thin atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    I've seen few people wearing medical masks in public. A few were dust masks, but most are some home made.

    Your observation shows why the public health community is divided on the question of masks, the average person subverts the very purpose of the mask! and truth be told, so do some health care workers. Wearing them for long periods is a pain, especially with strenuous activity.
    Around here at least half the folks who wear anything have medical masks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    and yet humidity and heat kill the virus. I don't think that the virus travels more easily through a damp mask.
    It is not known that humidity and heat kill this virus. In Singapore, hot and humid they relaxed the measures and the infections increased.

    Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/03/849135036/singapore-was-a-shining-star-in-covid-control-until-it-wasnt



    Singapore Was A Shining Star In COVID-19 Control — Until It Wasn't

    Early on in the coronavirus pandemic, Singapore was praised as a shining example of how to handle the new virus. The World Health Organization pointed out that Singapore's aggressive contact tracing allowed the city-state to quickly identify and isolate any new cases. It quickly shut down clusters of cases and kept most of its economy — and its schools — open. Through the beginning of April, Singapore had recorded fewer than 600 cases.

    By the end of April, however, the case count exceeded 17,000. And not only is all of Singapore now under a strict lockdown, but it has the most coronavirus cases in Southeast Asia.

    The vast majority of these cases are in the overcrowded dormitories that house more than 300,000 of Singapore's roughly 1 million foreign workers — and the number of cases is expected to continue to rise in the coming weeks.

    "We have started our testing with the dormitories where there were a high number of cases detected," Singapore's health minister, Gan Kim Yong, said in a virtual press briefing this week.

    Singapore ordered a lockdown on April 7 in response to an uptick in cases in the general population — and then began to find a significant number of cases in the dorms.

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    A classic failure of the lack of safe didtancing.
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