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  • The Rise of Vegetarianism?

    Is this the end of animal agriculture we are so familiar with? We condemn the wet markets of China, but this nation's animal herd poses a similar public health risk.

    Zoonotic disease is more than just a theoretical problem. We provide economic incentives for this nation's poultry flocks and swine herds, an important protein source.

    A generation ago, we had wet markets in each nation's public markets located in urban areas. One key difference was we did not have wild animals for sale.

    Maybe this will signal the end of the Chicken Mcnugget and Buffalo wing (Buffalo's gift to the world).

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    Not the end, but raising Tofu pigs does not risk the spread of the COVID-19
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      Not the end, but raising Tofu pigs does not risk the spread of the COVID-19
      A number of Influenza A type viruses have emerged from the farm animals which pose a health risk. The possibility of novel zoonotic viruses increases with the size of the nation's animal agriculture.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by simplicio View Post
        Is this the end of animal agriculture we are so familiar with? We condemn the wet markets of China, but this nation's animal herd poses a similar public health risk.

        Zoonotic disease is more than just a theoretical problem. We provide economic incentives for this nation's poultry flocks and swine herds, an important protein source.

        A generation ago, we had wet markets in each nation's public markets located in urban areas. One key difference was we did not have wild animals for sale.

        Maybe this will signal the end of the Chicken Mcnugget and Buffalo wing (Buffalo's gift to the world).
        The only way to stop zoonotic disease would be to kill off all of the animals. Seems antithetical to the reason people are vegetarian.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          The only way to stop zoonotic disease would be to kill off all of the animals. Seems antithetical to the reason people are vegetarian.
          If the nation's swine herds and poultry flocks were much smaller, there would be less chance of a serious zoonotic disease emerging which can affect people.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by simplicio View Post
            If the nation's swine herds and poultry flocks were much smaller, there would be less chance of a serious zoonotic disease emerging which can affect people.
            No it wouldn't. Those aren't major sources of diseases in the first place. But, if you are pushing vegetarianism, you would need to get rid of all of our domestic farm animals. And then exterminate wild animals too, like bats, mosquitoes, birds, and just about all mammals (rabies)

            The last three zoonotic outbreaks all came from China.

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            • #7
              Well plant based food is becoming more viable. However, I highly doubt that people will stop eating and raising animals entirely.

              Look at sheep for instance. Without people to shear sheep they would overheat and die as a result of just having too much wool.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                No it wouldn't. Those aren't major sources of diseases in the first place. But, if you are pushing vegetarianism, you would need to get rid of all of our domestic farm animals. And then exterminate wild animals too, like bats, mosquitoes, birds, and just about all mammals (rabies)

                The last three zoonotic outbreaks all came from China.
                Stop and think about it, fewer pigs would mean a smaller chance of a swine flu emerging, few chickens would mean a smaller chance of an avian flu emerging.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                  Stop and think about it, fewer pigs would mean a smaller chance of a swine flu emerging, few chickens would mean a smaller chance of an avian flu emerging.
                  So we need to eliminate all those chickens and pigs.

                  But that wouldn't stop people from getting diseases from wild animals. Birds are everywhere. We need to eliminate them all, right?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    So we need to eliminate all those chickens and pigs.

                    But that wouldn't stop people from getting diseases from wild animals. Birds are everywhere. We need to eliminate them all, right?
                    Zika is transmitted by mosquitoes. Lyme disease is transmitted by ticks. Plenty of parasites out there.

                    Of course eliminating such creatures would result in ecological disaster.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      So we need to eliminate all those chickens and pigs.

                      But that wouldn't stop people from getting diseases from wild animals. Birds are everywhere. We need to eliminate them all, right?
                      Have you ever heard the term "straw argument"?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                        Have you ever heard the term "straw argument"?
                        I think he is doing so intentionally in an attempt to do a reduction ad absurdum.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                          I think he is doing so intentionally in an attempt to do a reduction ad absurdum.
                          Exactly. Trying to show his OP's reasoning is idiotic when you take it to it's logical conclusion.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                            Is this the end of animal agriculture we are so familiar with? We condemn the wet markets of China, but this nation's animal herd poses a similar public health risk.

                            Zoonotic disease is more than just a theoretical problem. We provide economic incentives for this nation's poultry flocks and swine herds, an important protein source.

                            A generation ago, we had wet markets in each nation's public markets located in urban areas. One key difference was we did not have wild animals for sale.

                            Maybe this will signal the end of the Chicken Mcnugget and Buffalo wing (Buffalo's gift to the world).
                            Vegetarianism is not a healthy diet. I haven't gotten the flu for like a decade now. It would be easier just to teach folks how to be responsible germophobes. It's really not that hard.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              Vegetarianism is not a healthy diet. I haven't gotten the flu for like a decade now. It would be easier just to teach folks how to be responsible germophobes. It's really not that hard.
                              I take it you avoided the swine flu epidemic and the bird flu, because of meat in your diet? Your first sentence noted that vegetarianism was unhealthy, the second was anout avoiding germs. Which factor contributed to your health?

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