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    Quote Originally Posted by EvoUK View Post
    It's high time the man was imbleached

    Many voters are becoming increasingly disinfected with Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    I have zero interest in trying to find and imbibe a video of the briefing in which Bad Orange Man commanded people to drink the Lysol and Clorox cocktail. Is there a transcript I can read?
    https://factba.se/transcript/donald-...-april-23-2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Where did Trump get his recommendations to use bleach to cure the COVID 19 infection?

    Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus



    Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week

    Mark Grenon wrote to Trump saying chlorine dioxide ‘can rid the body of Covid-19’ days before the president promoted disinfectant as treatment

    The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.

    In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

    A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus. To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!”

    He went on to say: “Is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that.”

    Trump did not specify where the idea of using disinfectant as a possible remedy for Covid-19 came from, and the source for his notion remains obscure. But the Guardian has learned that peddlers of chlorine dioxide – industrial bleach – have been making direct approaches to the White House in recent days.

    Grenon styles himself as “archbishop” of Genesis II – a Florida-based outfit that claims to be a church but which in fact is the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US. He brands the chemical as MMS, “miracle mineral solution”, and claims fraudulently that it can cure 99% of all illnesses including cancer, malaria, HIV/Aids as well as autism.

    Since the start of the pandemic, Genesis II has been marketing MMS as a cure to coronavirus. It advises users, including children, to mix three to six drops of bleach in water and drink it.

    In his weekly televised radio show, posted online on Sunday, Grenon read out the letter he wrote to Trump. He said it began: “Dear Mr President, I am praying you read this letter and intervene.”

    Grenon said that 30 of his supporters have also written in the past few days to Trump at the White House urging him to take action to protect Genesis II in its bleach-peddling activities which they claim can cure coronavirus.

    On Friday, hours after Trump talked about disinfectant on live TV, Grenon went further in a post on his Facebook page. He claimed that MMS had actually been sent to the White House. He wrote: “Trump has got the MMS and all the info!!! Things are happening folks! Lord help others to see the Truth!”

    Paradoxically, Trump’s outburst about the possible value of an “injection” of disinfectant into the lungs of Covid-19 sufferers came just days after a leading agency within the president’s own administration took action to shut down the peddling of bleach as a coronavirus cure around the US.

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    Pure yellow journalism.

    They are using innuendo and sensationalism to sell papers. Well, they are a tabloid, so I guess that is what they do.

    Notice they have no evidence that Trump read any such letter. The chances that his staff would pass such a letter on to him or he would have time to read it are negligable.

    Then they pretend that his reason for mentioning the disinfectant is "obscure" - no it wasn't! He was directly talking to Bryan who just finished talking about using disinfectant to kill the virus on surfaces. Sure, it was stupid, but there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Trump even heard of this nutjob. Crap like this is why nobody listens to you liberals. You uncritically post the worst sort of nonsense and conspiracy theories about Trump.

    Just stop.

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    The part we're talking about is around the 24 minute mark. Read in the full context, it's pretty conclusive. Trump asks a question of the DHS Head of Science and Technology Directorate, Bill Bryan, who has been talking about the effects of temperature, sunlight, disinfectants etc on the virus.


    "And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning."


    In context, he's referring to injecting something - a chemical that we already know kills the virus - into the lungs of a patient, to kill the virus there. Trump is asking a technical expert "Is that possible?". It's probably not, but all he was doing was asking IF it was.


    He is NOT saying 'people should be injected (into their bloodstream) with disinfectant. That's a complete distortion of the quote in it's actual context. A lie, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Read post #63. Yes it is. Not a substantive response. You've uncritically swallowed the media narrative without thinking about what Trump actually said.
    Yeah! When there is no coherent honest response it is the generic 'fake news.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    The part we're talking about is around the 24 minute mark. Read in the full context, it's pretty conclusive. Trump asks a question of the DHS Head of Science and Technology Directorate, Bill Bryan, who has been talking about the effects of temperature, sunlight, disinfectants etc on the virus.


    "And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning."


    In context, he's referring to injecting something - a chemical that we already know kills the virus - into the lungs of a patient, to kill the virus there. Trump is asking a technical expert "Is that possible?". It's probably not, but all he was doing was asking IF it was.


    He is NOT saying 'people should be injected (into their bloodstream) with disinfectant. That's a complete distortion of the quote in it's actual context. A lie, actually.
    The thread title uses the word "proposes," which is exactly what you describe with your "context." Asking "Is this possible?" is proposing "this" as a possible solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Pure yellow journalism.

    They are using innuendo and sensationalism to sell papers. Well, they are a tabloid, so I guess that is what they do.

    Notice they have no evidence that Trump read any such letter. The chances that his staff would pass such a letter on to him or he would have time to read it are negligable.

    Then they pretend that his reason for mentioning the disinfectant is "obscure" - no it wasn't! He was directly talking to Bryan who just finished talking about using disinfectant to kill the virus on surfaces. Sure, it was stupid, but there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Trump even heard of this nutjob. Crap like this is why nobody listens to you liberals. You uncritically post the worst sort of nonsense and conspiracy theories about Trump.

    Just stop.
    Not a chance, facts are facts and, of course, all factual reporting about Donald Trump is considered 'fake news.' How precious!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    The part we're talking about is around the 24 minute mark. Read in the full context, it's pretty conclusive. Trump asks a question of the DHS Head of Science and Technology Directorate, Bill Bryan, who has been talking about the effects of temperature, sunlight, disinfectants etc on the virus.


    "And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning."


    In context, he's referring to injecting something - a chemical that we already know kills the virus - into the lungs of a patient, to kill the virus there. Trump is asking a technical expert "Is that possible?". It's probably not, but all he was doing was asking IF it was.


    He is NOT saying 'people should be injected (into their bloodstream) with disinfectant. That's a complete distortion of the quote in it's actual context. A lie, actually.
    It seems Trump himself has thrown cold water on that interpretation; he says he was just being sarcastic instead of asking a question.

    (This seems to frequently recur with attempts to rationalize his comments.)
    Last edited by KingsGambit; 04-25-2020 at 05:40 PM.
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    Is this gaffe one of substance?

    I think Trump conflated concepts of disinfecting surfaces to eliminate virus loads with using medicines to eliminate virus loads inside the body. It is part of his crusade to put a positive spin on everything.

    His remarks on testing, which probably account for Fauci's absences from the briefings, also stem from his insistence on painting the rosy picture of the administration's response. Fauci assessment of testing capabilities is sharply different than Trump's.

    Trump keeps raising the prospect that the epidemic may not come back at all, while Fauci refuted the President, his boss.

    But there is a common thread through Trump's remarks, his refusal to incorporate scientific views into his own response. Which is folly.

    The great nation of Belarus (White Russia) has a leader which infamously derided any epidemic: "Do you see any viruses here?" and the epidemic is a "psychosis". Maybe a kindred spirit?

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    From Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Letters from Prison:



    “Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force.”

    “Against stupidity we are defenseless; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed, and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one.”

    “It seems obvious that stupidity is less a psychological than a sociological problem. It is a particular form of the impact of historical circumstances on human beings, a psychological concomitant of certain external conditions.”

    “The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he speaks on behalf of an empowered group. In conversation with him, one feels that one is dealing not at all with him as a person, but with slogans and catchwords that have taken possession of him.”

    “The stupid man is under a spell…[And] having become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil.”

    “The Bible’s words that the ‘fear of the Lord God is the beginning of wisdom’ teaches us that a person’s inward liberation from foolishness and decision to live responsibly and intelligently before God is the only real cure to stupidity.”


    Seems appropriate here.

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