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    The Omnipresence of God and Creation

    Greetings,

    I have a 'simple' question.

    I have a clear memory from when I was a kid, maybe 6~8 age. I was trying to work out in my childlike mind how could God be everywhere at once. Obviously I had an extremely basic concept of omnipresence. I formed the idea that perhaps when God created the universe, including us, He had merely to imagine it, all inside of his head. Because God was so clever, mere figments of his imagination could easily actually exist and experience life, etc.

    Years later, but also years ago, I stumbled upon something on the interwebs which described this concept of all of creation being contained 'inside' God. It was, of course, heretical, or at least non-orthodox, but it also had a name. Does anyone have an idea of what that name might be? (Aside from 'Bonkers')

    Thank you
    Manky

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    Pantheism - the belief that Creation is part of God. (Hinduism for example)
    Panentheism - the belief that Creation is separate from God (Christianity for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MankyScotsGit View Post
    Greetings,

    I have a 'simple' question.

    I have a clear memory from when I was a kid, maybe 6~8 age. I was trying to work out in my childlike mind how could God be everywhere at once. Obviously I had an extremely basic concept of omnipresence. I formed the idea that perhaps when God created the universe, including us, He had merely to imagine it, all inside of his head. Because God was so clever, mere figments of his imagination could easily actually exist and experience life, etc.

    Years later, but also years ago, I stumbled upon something on the interwebs which described this concept of all of creation being contained 'inside' God. It was, of course, heretical, or at least non-orthodox, but it also had a name. Does anyone have an idea of what that name might be? (Aside from 'Bonkers')

    Thank you
    Manky
    I'm pretty sure certain versions of panentheism ascribe to this.

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    PS I think Mary Baker Eddy who founded the Christian Scientists believed that we are all just part of God's dream. Sounds like what you were thinking when you were a child.

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    Thanks Cere' & Pirate chappie. I'll go and have a read. Just from a quick glance at panentheism, it certainly does look as if that's where I'll find the concept. Obvs I'll go beyond Wiki

    "Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God")[1] is the belief that the divine pervades and interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond space and time." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

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    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Manky!



    Otherwise I have nothing to add.



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    Panpsychism ? Transcendentalism, of some kind ? Though panentheism may be what is indicated………

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    Quote Originally Posted by MankyScotsGit View Post
    Thanks Cere' & Pirate chappie. I'll go and have a read. Just from a quick glance at panentheism, it certainly does look as if that's where I'll find the concept. Obvs I'll go beyond Wiki

    "Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God")[1] is the belief that the divine pervades and interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond space and time." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
    Panentheism means that God is omnipresent in creation but not identical to it. Creation is separate from God. This is what Christians believe. Pantheism means that creation is a part of God, or is God itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MankyScotsGit View Post
    Greetings,

    I have a 'simple' question.

    I have a clear memory from when I was a kid, maybe 6~8 age. I was trying to work out in my childlike mind how could God be everywhere at once. Obviously I had an extremely basic concept of omnipresence. I formed the idea that perhaps when God created the universe, including us, He had merely to imagine it, all inside of his head. Because God was so clever, mere figments of his imagination could easily actually exist and experience life, etc.

    Years later, but also years ago, I stumbled upon something on the interwebs which described this concept of all of creation being contained 'inside' God. It was, of course, heretical, or at least non-orthodox, but it also had a name. Does anyone have an idea of what that name might be? (Aside from 'Bonkers')

    Thank you
    Manky
    I remember having a similar thought when I was about 16 (so you're much smarter than me) - what if reality was no more than a dream God was having? God being God, His dreams could be as real as reality, if you see what I mean. They could create a real universe, etc

    The main problem I see with the idea is that it anthropomorphises God too much - God's basically a really powerful (and cool) human, who has dreams (and thus is asleep, etc). I don't believe God dreams (i.e. has altered levels of consciousness at different times) because that would be an imperfection (there are times God's mind isn't fully and perfectly aware).


    What it does get right as an idea is that God is powerful beyond measure.
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