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The Omnipresence of God and Creation
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postspace and time are smaller than God. Think of the box (space and time and everything in the universe) as being in God's tummy. If you are inside the box, you are still inside God. Yeah bad analogy, but you get the idea.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd how can something, a universe say, be inside of a another thing, if that other thing is a simple, and indivisable thing? Take the box as an analogy, if the box were solid thoughout, a cube say, and indivisible, how could somehting be in the cube without displacing the part of the cube wherein the thing within it sits. Also, how can a thing be both inside of space-time and outside of space time?"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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I think instead of trying to define exactly how God's omnipresence works, it's easiest to just state that there is nothing in reality that escapes God's awareness and "reach". Whatever else God's omnipresence implies, at least it implies those two things. It seems to me that if God is omnipotent and omniscient, then His omnipresence follows logically from those two attributes, atleast if it's defined minimally, as above.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI think instead of trying to define exactly how God's omnipresence works, it's easiest to just state that there is nothing in reality that escapes God's awareness and "reach". Whatever else God's omnipresence implies, at least it implies those two things. It seems to me that if God is omnipotent and omniscient, then His omnipresence follows logically from those two attributes, atleast if it's defined minimally, as above."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd how can something, a universe say, be inside of a another thing, if that other thing is a simple, and indivisable thing? Take the box as an analogy, if the box were solid thoughout, a cube say, and indivisible, how could somehting be in the cube without displacing the part of the cube wherein the thing within it sits. Also, how can a thing be both inside of space-time and outside of space time?
Look at a an object on your desk. Would you say that space-time permeates that box? Would you then say that the box IS space-time?
Next, will you complain because the universe isn't cubicle?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThere is such a thing as taking an analogy too far. I already admitted it was not a great analogy. I am sure you understand what I was trying to explain, though.
Look at a an object on your desk. Would you say that space-time permeates that box? Would you then say that the box IS space-time?
Next, will you complain because the universe isn't cubicle?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, I understand that the analogy is a poor one, but it's the best I can do. God though would be simple and indivisable, not like an empty box, more like the inside of the box, which is why I used the equally clumsy analogy of a solid cube. So how can an object be within the inside of the box, inside the indivisable god, and not be part of god?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThere is such a thing as taking an analogy too far. I already admitted it was not a great analogy. I am sure you understand what I was trying to explain, though.
Look at a an object on your desk. Would you say that space-time permeates that box? Would you then say that the box IS space-time?
Next, will you complain because the universe isn't cubicle?
Is this still part of your office analogy? Do you mean that believers in multi-verses are in the cubicle next door?...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MankyScotsGit View PostGreetings,
I have a 'simple' question.
I have a clear memory from when I was a kid, maybe 6~8 age. I was trying to work out in my childlike mind how could God be everywhere at once. Obviously I had an extremely basic concept of omnipresence. I formed the idea that perhaps when God created the universe, including us, He had merely to imagine it, all inside of his head. Because God was so clever, mere figments of his imagination could easily actually exist and experience life, etc.
Years later, but also years ago, I stumbled upon something on the interwebs which described this concept of all of creation being contained 'inside' God. It was, of course, heretical, or at least non-orthodox, but it also had a name. Does anyone have an idea of what that name might be? (Aside from 'Bonkers')
Thank you
MankyMany and painful are the researches sometimes necessary to be made, for settling points of [this] kind. Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines, which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer. When this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again the next year, as if nothing had ever been written upon the subject.
George Horne
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