Shelley Luther: My New Hero...

[Leonhard]

In Denmark hair dressers were among the first to be allowed to open. They can easily run in a way that prevents contagion from spreading as long as they practice industry standard hygiene, and just clean off the seats. Easy adaptations were made in Denmark and we saw no noticeable rise in infection rates even after two weeks.

[DivineOb]

48 out of 50 states had laws prohibiting the desecration of the American flag (this would obviously include both liberal and conservative states), the SCOTUS still struck them all down as violations of the First Amendment. (I suppose someone could argue that the SCOTUS made the wrong decision)

I didn't say that the states couldn't all be wrong, but there are plenty of reasons that the two situations aren't comparable and plenty of reasons to expect that the red states would have gladly use constitutionalilty as an excuse to not implement them if they felt they had any choice. I take your point, though.

7th/6th most deadly in terms of body count, or in terms of percentage of the population? Because it's much easier to rack up high numbers with a larger population. If three million people in the US suddenly died just now, that would be about 1% of the population. If three million people died in 1790, that would be about 75% of the total population. I feel percentage is a better indicator.

Perhaps. I could point out that today's medical technology is so much more advanced compared to the last comparable incident (1968) that we should expect dramatically fewer deaths, both in absolute and relative terms. Note that this is exactly what occurred during the most recent pandemic way back in 2009 when we *had* a president and "only" ~12k died.

[Starlight]

In Denmark hair dressers were among the first to be allowed to open.

Really?? Here they are pretty much the last to be allowed to open. They have been shut for 6 weeks now, and the suggestion is they might be finally about to open next week or the week after now that our daily new cases has started to hit 0 occasionally.

They can easily run in a way that prevents contagion from spreading as long as they practice industry standard hygiene, and just clean off the seats.

Surely with hairdressing you inevitably have two people breathing the same air and in physical contact?

[seer]

She has a GoFundMe page and I believe she's raised over 400k so far. Good wins for a change.

Good for her!

[Sparko]

75K dead even when massively undercounting. More dead than Vietnam. 7th most deadly event in US history, soon to be 6th most deadly.

But sure, *I'm* the one with the lack of compassion .

worldwide 1.25 Million automobile related deaths per year, every year. We need to ban cars. And roads.

[seer]

worldwide 1.25 Million automobile related deaths per year, every year. We need to ban cars. And roads.

We could save thousands of lives in the US if we just restricted the highest speed limit to 35mph, and only allowed/sold cars that could not go faster (the only exception would be emergency vehicles).

[Cow Poke]

Made me wonder if I could correctly name in order what the most deadly events were in US history...

I got the 5 major wars correct in their order of deadliness for Americans, but waaay underestimated the pandemics, and how many of those there had actually been in the 20th century.

The rate things are going with Covid in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if it reaches #1.

Especially when they attribute deaths from other causes to Covid to increase the tally.

[Cow Poke]

In Denmark hair dressers were among the first to be allowed to open. They can easily run in a way that prevents contagion from spreading as long as they practice industry standard hygiene, and just clean off the seats. Easy adaptations were made in Denmark and we saw no noticeable rise in infection rates even after two weeks.

Do you guys have to be so dadburn PRACTICAL!

[NorrinRadd]

I'm going to go ahead and pass judgement on that rotten fascist judge's heart and soul: If Shelley had been black instead of a pretty blond, Judge Eric "Clarence Thomas is a race-traitor" Moye would have let her off with a gentle warning, if not an outright commendation for her courage.

[DivineOb]

worldwide 1.25 Million automobile related deaths per year, every year. We need to ban cars. And roads.

What I find hee-larious is RWNJs who post this like it's a a solid argument. To argue this is to misunderstand this issue from every possible angle and to proclaim so proudly.

Embarrassing.

[seer]

What I find hee-larious is RWNJs who post this like it's a a solid argument. To argue this is to misunderstand this issue from every possible angle and to proclaim so proudly.

Embarrassing.

Nonsense DO. There is risk and reward on every level. What is worse, more COVID deaths or effectively destroying an economy and small businesses, with effects that last for years? Again, like I said:

We could save thousands of lives in the US if we just restricted the highest speed limit to 35mph, and only allowed/sold cars that could not go faster (the only exception would be emergency vehicles).

We would see a serious dividend of lives saved year after year after year...

[seer]

Sanity!

Supreme Court Of Texas Orders Release Of Jailed Texas Stylist Shelly Luther

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/05/07/...shelly-luther/

Texas governor eliminates jail time as punishment for violating shutdown orders

https://www.krgv.com/news/texas-gove...utdown-orders/

[DivineOb]

Nonsense DO. There is risk and reward on every level. What is worse, more COVID deaths or effectively destroying an economy and small businesses, with effects that last for years? Again, like I said:

We could save thousands of lives in the US if we just restricted the highest speed limit to 35mph, and only allowed/sold cars that could not go faster (the only exception would be emergency vehicles).

We would see a serious dividend of lives saved year after year after year...

Yes, there is risk and reward on every level. But pointing at cars and saying "cars kill, cars bad" is caveman level reasoning which can't possibly hope to explore the issue on a deep enough level to actually make a point.

The relevant issue which RWNJ seem to miss is that the destruction of our economy was entirely unnecessary. Shutting down the economy is the measure of last resort to deal with an emergency situation, not the ideal way to attacking this disease (which would be testing and contact tracing). All the blame for whichever outcome we end up with, heaps of dead, a destroyed economy, or both, rests entirely on Trump and his administration. Don't attempt to shift the consequences of the *measure of last resort* onto those actually implementing it at their own political risk or make the goofy comparison to guns or swimming pools.

[seanD]

Yes, there is risk and reward on every level. But pointing at cars and saying "cars kill, cars bad" is caveman level reasoning which can't possibly hope to explore the issue on a deep enough level to actually make a point.

The relevant issue which RWNJ seem to miss is that the destruction of our economy was entirely unnecessary. Shutting down the economy is the measure of last resort to deal with an emergency situation, not the ideal way to attacking this disease (which would be testing and contact tracing). All the blame for whichever outcome we end up with, heaps of dead, a destroyed economy, or both, rests entirely on Trump and his administration. Don't attempt to shift the consequences of the *measure of last resort* onto those actually implementing it at their own political risk or make the goofy comparison to guns or swimming pools.

It's actually a pretty accurate comparison. If we had the 24/7 news coverage of auto fatalities that we have with the C-19 pandemic, not only would we see the same exact level of public hysteria about the issue, but we'd have policies implemented that would radically change those fatality outcomes. It's the EXACT same analogy in fact.

[DivineOb]

It's actually a pretty accurate comparison. If we had the 24/7 news coverage of auto fatalities that we have with the C-19 pandemic, not only would we see the same exact level of public hysteria about the issue, but we'd have policies implemented that would radically change those fatality outcomes. It's the EXACT same analogy in fact.

Cars have gotten safer year after year in response to public outcry. So what's your point?