DOJ drops all charges against Michael Flynn!

[RumTumTugger]

It only seems like that because 99% of the things he's criticized for on these forums are idiotic.

Or the lies told by the Democrats and their propaganda arm the MSM like MSNBC, CNN, NYT, Washington Post Etc..

[DivineOb]

It only seems like that because 99% of the things he's criticized for on these forums are idiotic. I've often said that Trump offers a rich field for interesting discussion and debate, but liberals are so off the rails that any sort of reasoned discussion is impossible.

Ok, prove it. Make some threads critical of the Trump administration on something substantive.

[seanD]

Things are getting interesting. Though not at all surprised by any of this.

[Mountain Man]

Things are getting interesting. Though not at all surprised by any of this.

Yep... for instance, acting ODNI Grenell forced Adam Schiff to release transcripts from the Russian collusion investigation, in which we find gems like this from James Clapper in July 2017:

"I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election."

Which leaves us with the question, what exactly was the dirty cop and his team of 40 FBI agents investigating for 2-years? It couldn't have been Russian collusion, because that never happened.

[DivineOb]

Yep... for instance, acting ODNI Grenell forced Adam Schiff to release transcripts from the Russian collusion investigation, in which we find gems like this from James Clapper in July 2017:

"I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election."

Which leaves us with the question, what exactly was the dirty cop and his team of 40 FBI agents investigating for 2-years? It couldn't have been Russian collusion, because that never happened.

I don't know. Why aren't all these bad actors in jail?

[Starlight]

Mum's taken to reading a lot of news articles about the US, and she keeps saying to me "the US seems like a 3rd world country" with regard to corruption and government.

I keep arguing the US is better classified as a developing nation / '2nd world' rather than 3rd world.*

But having the government drop a case against someone, who's twice pleaded guilty to the charges, because they're on the President's team, is not something I'm going to be able to defend to her.


* Yes, technically the terms 1st-3rd world originally referred to sides in the cold war, but I'm using them in their more modern meaning of 1st world = developed countries, 3rd world = undeveloped countries, and the lesser used 2nd world = developing countries.

[DivineOb]

Mum's taken to reading a lot of news articles about the US, and she keeps saying to me "the US seems like a 3rd world country" with regard to corruption and government.

I keep arguing the US is better classified as a developing nation / '2nd world' rather than 3rd world.*

But having the government drop a case against someone, who's twice pleaded guilty to the charges, because they're on the President's team, is not something I'm going to be able to defend to her.


* Yes, technically the terms 1st-3rd world originally referred to sides in the cold war, but I'm using them in their more modern meaning of 1st world = developed countries, 3rd world = undeveloped countries, and the lesser used 2nd world = developing countries.

It's worse than that. Presidents have done corrupt things in the past, but never with the full throated support of 40% of the country behind them. That's why this next election will determine the fate of the USA. Even then we'll have a generation of folks who are mostly beyond rehabilitation into a modern American society.

Never forget that despair is an active measure.

[Starlight]

Presidents have done corrupt things in the past, but never with the full throated support of 40% of the country behind them.

It does seem like the wilful and vigorous support for this path to toward self-destruction is new. A large proportion of the country seems to increasingly want to destroy everything about America that people around the world have ever regarded as making it great... government, science, education, human rights, a free press, democracy, etc. because they now have come to regard those as 'liberal' and the 'enemy' and seem happy to utterly destroy everything good in their country in order to upset the libs.

[DivineOb]

It does seem like the wilful and vigorous support for this path to toward self-destruction is new. A large proportion of the country seems to increasingly want to destroy everything about America that people around the world have ever regarded as making it great... government, science, education, human rights, a free press, democracy, etc. because they now have come to regard those as 'liberal' and the 'enemy' and seem happy to utterly destroy everything good in their country in order to upset the libs.

RWNJs, and Trumpers in particular, are motivated solely by resentment and jealousy towards those whose lives turned out better. They recognize that the wealth and power emanates from the "liberal" coasts and that the demise of the White Christian majority make them increasingly irrelevant in our politics. Tragically, they get one last hurrah and they're making the most of it.

[Mountain Man]

But having the government drop a case against someone, who's twice pleaded guilty to the charges...

You need to keep up with the facts, because it will help you understand what's really going on. The short version is that the FBI knew Flynn was innocent, but they deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence and railroaded him into a false confession.

The following is required reading if you have any interest in the truth:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...l-for-removal/

[DivineOb]

You need to keep up with the facts, because it will help you understand what's really going on. The short version is that the FBI knew Flynn was innocent, but they deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence and railroaded him into a false confession.

The following is required reading if you have any interest in the truth:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...l-for-removal/

And I'll once again ask you to point me *directly* to the exculpatory evidence. Last time you ran away.

[Starlight]

And I'll once again ask you to point me *directly* to the exculpatory evidence. Last time you ran away.

My theory is he's just paid to post links to right-wing propaganda/fake-news outlets on forums. Getting people to read that garbage is what matters to him, not the (lack of) truth of the content.

[NorrinRadd]

You lost me. With the exception of you I don't know of any RWNJ who I wouldn't also describe as a Trumper. And I'm not even sure you would be an RWNJ. But Sparko, MM, OBP, seanD, demi, seer, etc. all RWNJs and also all Trumpers.

Ok, and to define Trumper -- a right winger who is unable or unwilling to honestly characterize the actions of Trump and the Trump administration to an extent which goes way beyond normal politics. E.g. defending Trumps "grab them by the [genitals]" quote as if it isn't readily obvious what it means.

Please allow me to further confuse the matter: I embrace the labels, "Irredeemable Deplorable," "Right-Wing Nut-Job," and "Trumper." I'm also fine and dandy with "Homophobic Narrow-Minded Christian Bigot." I am willing to say that the actions of Bad Orange Man and his administration are atypical. I will not grant that they are "abnormal," certainly not more so than the actions of the Obamassiah regime, nor than the Demon-crap House of Reprehensibles. I find that remark by Bad Orange Man to be gross and obnoxious. I find a lot of his behavior over the decades to be gross and obnoxious. I found a lot of his verbiage during the 2016 election cycle to be gross and obnoxious. Ultimately, I found none of it to be disqualifying.

[NorrinRadd]

A more sober take on the situation from the ever-reliable Bill Palmer.

Mmm, no, that reads more like a frenzied hatchet-job by a loony left-wing hack.

How about a couple of articles by Hilary-voting Democrat and civil-libertarian legal scholar Jonathan Turley?

Flynn Case Should be Dismissed in the Name of Justice.

Justice Department Drops Flynn Case.


However, I sadly concede that it is likely that few if any of the bad actors in the Obama FBI, DOJ, or WH will be successfully prosecuted. Turley notes that there is plenty of basis for "abuse of power" suits, but that such cases are hard to prove. Legal experts on Laura Ingraham's show cited numerous statutes that had been violated, but noted that it would be very difficult to prove which specific persons broke which specific statutes.

[firstfloor]

The DoJ is a mess, Barr should be locked up. The guy confessed, remember.