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DOJ drops all charges against Michael Flynn!
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt only seems like that because 99% of the things he's criticized for on these forums are idiotic. I've often said that Trump offers a rich field for interesting discussion and debate, but liberals are so off the rails that any sort of reasoned discussion is impossible.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThings are getting interesting. Though not at all surprised by any of this.
"I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election."
Which leaves us with the question, what exactly was the dirty cop and his team of 40 FBI agents investigating for 2-years? It couldn't have been Russian collusion, because that never happened.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYep... for instance, acting ODNI Grenell forced Adam Schiff to release transcripts from the Russian collusion investigation, in which we find gems like this from James Clapper in July 2017:
"I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election."
Which leaves us with the question, what exactly was the dirty cop and his team of 40 FBI agents investigating for 2-years? It couldn't have been Russian collusion, because that never happened.
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Mum's taken to reading a lot of news articles about the US, and she keeps saying to me "the US seems like a 3rd world country" with regard to corruption and government.
I keep arguing the US is better classified as a developing nation / '2nd world' rather than 3rd world.*
But having the government drop a case against someone, who's twice pleaded guilty to the charges, because they're on the President's team, is not something I'm going to be able to defend to her.
* Yes, technically the terms 1st-3rd world originally referred to sides in the cold war, but I'm using them in their more modern meaning of 1st world = developed countries, 3rd world = undeveloped countries, and the lesser used 2nd world = developing countries."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostMum's taken to reading a lot of news articles about the US, and she keeps saying to me "the US seems like a 3rd world country" with regard to corruption and government.
I keep arguing the US is better classified as a developing nation / '2nd world' rather than 3rd world.*
But having the government drop a case against someone, who's twice pleaded guilty to the charges, because they're on the President's team, is not something I'm going to be able to defend to her.
* Yes, technically the terms 1st-3rd world originally referred to sides in the cold war, but I'm using them in their more modern meaning of 1st world = developed countries, 3rd world = undeveloped countries, and the lesser used 2nd world = developing countries.
Never forget that despair is an active measure.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostPresidents have done corrupt things in the past, but never with the full throated support of 40% of the country behind them."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt does seem like the wilful and vigorous support for this path to toward self-destruction is new. A large proportion of the country seems to increasingly want to destroy everything about America that people around the world have ever regarded as making it great... government, science, education, human rights, a free press, democracy, etc. because they now have come to regard those as 'liberal' and the 'enemy' and seem happy to utterly destroy everything good in their country in order to upset the libs.
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostBut having the government drop a case against someone, who's twice pleaded guilty to the charges...
The following is required reading if you have any interest in the truth:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...l-for-removal/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou need to keep up with the facts, because it will help you understand what's really going on. The short version is that the FBI knew Flynn was innocent, but they deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence and railroaded him into a false confession.
The following is required reading if you have any interest in the truth:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...l-for-removal/
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostAnd I'll once again ask you to point me *directly* to the exculpatory evidence. Last time you ran away."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostYou lost me. With the exception of you I don't know of any RWNJ who I wouldn't also describe as a Trumper. And I'm not even sure you would be an RWNJ. But Sparko, MM, OBP, seanD, demi, seer, etc. all RWNJs and also all Trumpers.
Ok, and to define Trumper -- a right winger who is unable or unwilling to honestly characterize the actions of Trump and the Trump administration to an extent which goes way beyond normal politics. E.g. defending Trumps "grab them by the [genitals]" quote as if it isn't readily obvious what it means.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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How about a couple of articles by Hilary-voting Democrat and civil-libertarian legal scholar Jonathan Turley?
Flynn Case Should be Dismissed in the Name of Justice.
Justice Department Drops Flynn Case.
However, I sadly concede that it is likely that few if any of the bad actors in the Obama FBI, DOJ, or WH will be successfully prosecuted. Turley notes that there is plenty of basis for "abuse of power" suits, but that such cases are hard to prove. Legal experts on Laura Ingraham's show cited numerous statutes that had been violated, but noted that it would be very difficult to prove which specific persons broke which specific statutes.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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The DoJ is a mess, Barr should be locked up. The guy confessed, remember.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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