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My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post...the waves of disrespect and hate that flow so continuously from you, pix, and others my way...
"If someone is supporting Trumps immigration policies where they constitute cruelty, and we get into a discussion of whether or not they are wrong, and I point out that God requires us to welcome the stranger, and to care for the poor, this is interpreted as 'doubting their Christian faith'."
That you think this is an accurate representation of your interactions with your fellow Christians on this forum was enough to tell me that any such discussion was pointless.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Ok, after being here for years, I *just now* discovered how to jump directly to a particular page in a thread. Duh.
Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI never saw Obama being called a messiah. ...Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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I posted on Facebook links to both the Fox News article and the blog post that formed its basis. I have not gotten much action there so far.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt is always so wonderful to have 45 minutes of thoughtful effort in a post to try to actually see if thoughtful discussion can possibly tear down the waves of disrespect and hate that flow so continuously from you, pix, and others my way, only to have it dismissed once again with yet more of the same.
Touche. I am truly the fool today. You may bask in your victory.
I will try not to be such a fool tomorrow.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 05-15-2020, 07:54 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd yet you and other liberals didn't have a word to say about the significant majority of people who talked about Obama in messianic terms.
But I do wonder about this: "We were quite surprised by the result that 49 percent of those frequently attending worship services believed that Trump was anointed by God to be president."
As usual, the actual question asked in the poll is not revealed to us, we're only told the interpretation of the results, which should raise red flags. For instance, I would agree that Trump was anointed by God, but only in the sense that every political leader is anointed by God, as the Bible tells us in Romans 13:1, "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."
Does this mean that I think that Donald Trump was specifically handpicked by God to be our president at this time? Of course not, and I suspect most other Christians don't believe it, either.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostAlso, I wonder how many Christians just thought that Trump was anointed by God simply because they believe God is control of all things. Trump being picked as the leader of the US is in God's plan just like Xi being picked to be the leader of China is in God's plan. I wonder how many Christians interpreted that question like that? If I was asked that question, that's how I would have interpreted it. Maybe some Christians even clarified that as their position, but the pollsters interpreted it as being a "yes?"My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seanD View PostAlso, I wonder how many Christians just thought that Trump was anointed by God simply because they believe God is control of all things. Trump being picked as the leader of the US is in God's plan just like Xi being picked to be the leader of China is in God's plan. I wonder how many Christians interpreted that question like that? If I was asked that question, that's how I would have interpreted it. Maybe some Christians even clarified that as their position, but the pollsters interpreted it as being a "yes?""For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostI looked at the blog mentioned in the OP and I didn't see any list of what the questions were. Having done enough surveys, I know how the question is asked can make a difference to the answer. So I agree with the various posters who are wonder what the survey questions are and were they strict yes/no or are their comments to be interpreted.
I still think this entire line of denial is just a kid with his hand in the cookie jar saying 'what cookie?'My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhy would this be magnified to the point it's in the news of it was "'ho hum normal' - we believe EVERY leader is annointed by God"? That just isn't even close to reality here. 'normal' is "pray for you leaders", more along the lines of "even if you don't like them very much". This is "Trump is God's annointed" - which has both kingly Messianic connotations and which NO christian I know of says about anyone unless they are very, very special people, usually very spiritual, with special gifts of ministry. Trying to pass this off as insignificant and no big deal is just really dishonest - it is NOT normal to refer to any leader in those terms in the Church - let alone a political,secular leader.
As I said, if it was a straight "yes/no" sort of question then I would be inclined to answer yes, not because I believe that Trump is a paragon of spiritual virtue but simply because I take the Bible at its word when it says that all authority is established by God.
Also, your insistence that "anointing" can only refer to kings and messiahs is not accurate. The Bible also uses the term to refer to ordinary believers. 1 John 2:27 is just one example:
"But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him."
https://carm.org/sermon-1-john-227-you-are-anointed-godSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt would seem to me that unless the term 'God's anointed' was never used in the associated survey, that would be a red herring. "God's annointed" is not some random term with no intrinsic meaning of it's own that could create confusion or elicit ambiguity in the survey taker. For 49% of regular church goers to be willing to ascribe that specific term to any individual person, especially a political leader, is significant regardless of how the question was asked. but perhaps you can think of an example of how such a question could be worded that used that term but which could have pulled a positive response out of people with ambivalent ho hum this is normal opinions about God's 'anointing' on Donald Trump?
I still think this entire line of denial is just a kid with his hand in the cookie jar saying 'what cookie?'
Having said that, and speaking as a Trump supporter, I am NOT comfortable with some of the fawning and adulation directed his way.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post"Anointing" is a common term in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles. I'm more familiar with those groups than with other branches of Christianity. For us, saying someone is "anointed by God" is NOT close to saying that person is "the Anointed One."
For one thing, passages like 2 Cor. 1:21 and 1 John 2:20, 27 show that all believers are "anointed." Beyond that, many in my culture tend to use "anointing" as virtually synonymous with "gifting" or "calling." (I don't commonly use the term that way.) So people in my culture can look at Trump as someone chosen and equipped by God to fulfill certain purposes, without viewing him as a religious leader or moral example.
Having said that, and speaking as a Trump supporter, I am NOT comfortable with some of the fawning and adulation directed his way.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-15-2020, 03:13 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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I'm pretty certain that "back in the day" I heard Jimmy Swaggart say that Jerry Lee Lewis had an anointing for music, and I heard others say the same about Elvis Presley. (In both cases, the sense was that God had gifted them, and they ended up not always using those gifts to their best purposes.)Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo - it's not the same as 'gifting' or 'calling'.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI'm pretty certain that "back in the day" I heard Jimmy Swaggart say that Jerry Lee Lewis had an anointing for music, and I heard others say the same about Elvis Presley. (In both cases, the sense was that God had gifted them, and they ended up not always using those gifts to their best purposes.)My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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