Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.

[JimL]

Source for what?

For the info you posted in post #20 in which you made the assertion that Arbery lived 10 miles from the construction site. You're the one that posted it, so what was your source?

[Mountain Man]

For the info you posted in post #20 in which you made the assertion that Arbery lived 10 miles from the construction site. You're the one that posted it, so what was your source?

I told you I don't remember the source. It may be something that was mentioned in the video that seanD referenced, but I didn't just make it up.

[JimL]

I told you I don't remember the source. It may be something that was mentioned in the video that seanD referenced, but I didn't just make it up.

Right MM, you didn't make up the lie that he cased the joint on multiple occassions at night either, did you? You didn't make up the idea that he was obviously up to no good, or that the idea that he was just some innocent black guy out jogging, needed to be rejected either, did you?

[Mountain Man]

Right MM, you didn't make up the lie that he cased the joint on multiple occassions at night either, did you? You didn't make up the idea that he was obviously up to no good, or that the idea that he was just some innocent black guy out jogging, needed to be rejected either, did you?

You deny that he visited the structure and peered around on multiple occasions despite the video evidence proving that he did?

And please stop telling the lie that I said he was up to no good. I have told you several times that I have no idea what his intentions were. Now drop it.

[JimL]

You deny that he visited the structure and peered around on multiple occasions despite the video evidence proving that he did?

Yes I do, the video personally ID's Arbery only once, and that is on the day of the incident. And even if he checked the place out a few times, what difference would that make if he jogs that same route often.

And please stop telling the lie that I said he was up to no good. I have told you several times that I have no idea what his intentions were. Now drop it.

My goodness you are a blatant liar, MM. I've already pulled the quote a half dozen times for you and everyone else to see. When you say that "the idea that this was just some innocent black guy out for a jog, needs to be rejected, you are indeed saying "he was up to no good." If you can't admit that you just fabricated the 10 mile, the casing the joint multiple times in the dark of night, as well as the lie about not having made the assertion that hs intentions were nefarious, then you should just stop digging the hole you're in deeper and go away.

[Mountain Man]

Have a nice day, Jimmy

[JimL]

Have a nice day, Jimmy

Smart move, MM.

[Leonhard]

Arbery visiting that structure, if nothing was taken, doesn't seem to prove anything. It doesn't justify the actions taken by the McMichaels. However we haven't heard much about the recordings, and only one of several has been leaked. If it turns out other people had visited the structure, but the McMichaels zeroed in on Arbery because he's black, then that will look very bad for them.

[Mountain Man]

Arbery visiting that structure, if nothing was taken, doesn't seem to prove anything. It doesn't justify the actions taken by the McMichaels.

Right, as I've been saying from the beginning. The only reason Arbery's trespassing is of any relevance is because contrary to the "innocent black guy jogging through the neighborhood" narrative, it was the fact that he was observed trespassing that caught the McMicaels' attention. Also the fact that he exited the structure and started running away may have made him appear doubly suspicious, but there is no indication that it was a case of "Look, a black guy minding his own business! Let's arm ourselves and chase him down for no reason!"

However we haven't heard much about the recordings, and only one of several has been leaked. If it turns out other people had visited the structure, but the McMichaels zeroed in on Arbery because he's black, then that will look very bad for them.

We know other people visited the construction site. What we don't know is if they were observed doing so.

[oxmixmudd]

New information that pretty much buries most of the excuse making for the McMichaels that has been made in this thread:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/us/mc...ery/index.html

Source: above

William Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael use a racial epithet after fatally shooting Ahmaud Arbery in Glynn County, Georgia, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent testified Thursday during preliminary hearings.

Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after three blasts from McMichael's shotgun left Arbery dead in February the streets of the Satilla Shores neighborhood, Assistant Special Agent in Charge Richard Dial said.

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Source: above

The new details of the final moments of Arbery's life emerged amid a week of nationwide protests over another killing -- that of George Floyd by police in Minneapolis -- and demonstrators have also called for justice in Arbery's case.

Investigators found a swipe from a palm print on the rear door of Bryan's truck, cotton fibers near the truck bed that "we attribute to contact with Mr. Arbery" and a dent below the fibers, he said.

Though Bryan's attorney has contested allegations his client took part in the killing, Dial said Bryan first became involved by yelling to the McMichaels, "Do you got him?" when he saw them chasing the 25-year-old jogger. The McMichaels and Bryan have not entered pleas, but lawyers for all three men have proclaimed their innocence.

After yelling out to the McMichaels about Arbery, Bryan joined the chase, and at this point, none of the three had called 911, Dial said.

The McMichaels had already tried to head off Arbery once when Bryan joined the pursuit, the GBI agent said. Bryan tried to block in Arbery as Travis McMichael drove around the block with his father in the bed of the truck.

Bryan "made several statements about trying to block him in and using his vehicle to try to stop him," Dial said. "His statement was that Mr. Arbery kept jumping out of the way and moving around the bumper and actually running down into the ditch in an attempt to avoid his truck."

At one point, Arbery was heading out of the Satilla Shores neighborhood where the defendants live, but the McMichaels forced him to turn back into the neighborhood and run past Bryan, the agent said. That is when he struck Arbery, Dial said, and Arbery kept running with the McMichaels in pursuit.

Bryan turned around, and that is where the widely disseminated video of Arbery's killing begins, he said.

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This removes all doubt from my mind Arbery believed his life to be in danger, and when he went after the gun Travis was holding, he was fighting for his life.

It is also clear that there were racial motivations behind the pursuit.

[oxmixmudd]

Right, as I've been saying from the beginning. The only reason Arbery's trespassing is of any relevance is because contrary to the "innocent black guy jogging through the neighborhood" narrative, it was the fact that he was observed trespassing that caught the McMicaels' attention. Also the fact that he exited the structure and started running away may have made him appear doubly suspicious, but there is no indication that it was a case of "Look, a black guy minding his own business! Let's arm ourselves and chase him down for no reason!"


We know other people visited the construction site. What we don't know is if they were observed doing so.

Yes we do, I've seen the snapshots of both the couple and the kids that were there taken from surveillance video.

[Mountain Man]

Yes we do, I've seen the snapshots of both the couple and the kids that were there taken from surveillance video.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Just because an automatic security camera caught images of them doesn't mean that anybody actually observed them entering and leaving the site.

[JimL]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Just because an automatic security camera caught images of them doesn't mean that anybody actually observed them entering and leaving the site.

Still trying to defend the indefensible, eh MM? Seems to be a pattern with you, always on the wrong side of the issue, like with your defense of all things Trump.

[Mountain Man]

Still trying to defend the indefensible, eh MM?

I'm not defending anything, little troll, I'm just stating facts.

[JimL]

I'm not defending anything, little troll, I'm just stating facts.

Yes, we are all aware of what it is you call facts, MM.