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Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.
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Sticking with the FACTS....
One of the claims was that Arbery was jogging "10 miles from home". It appears, however, that Arbery was staying with his mother "within a few miles of neighborhood".
Is this in dispute?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPointing out the racial bias coming from the defenders of the McMichaels gang is not hiding behind the race card.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post... Give up your racist cotton pickin' minute ...
Don't take it personal,
but that's the canard that is always thrown out there whenever anyone points out the racism they see.
We heard the same accusations, "that we're huding behind the race card", when pointing out the racism of the Treyvon Martin murderer.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View Post..."that we're huding behind the race card", when pointing out the racism of the Treyvon Martin murderer.
And you care so much for Trayvon that you can't even get his name right.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFalse. I said from the very start of this thread that the fact that Arbery was caught trespassing doesn't justify the actions taken against him. But neither have I seen anything to suggest that the McMichaels are cold blooded murders who only went after him because he was black.
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post737566
I'm keeping an open mind. Are you?
That's what you call an open mind? That's not an open mind, MM, that's a prejudiced mind.
Hard to believe you cited that post in your defense.Last edited by JimL; 05-25-2020, 10:06 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View Post...He was 10 miles from his house. (An outright lie)
He cased the place on multiple occasions at night. (Another outright lie).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIf that's a fact then I assume you have some evidence to support it.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, hold on a cotton pickin' minute.... It's not an "outright lie", it's one of the facts that's in dispute. Supposedly he was staying with his mother "a few miles from the scene", but I don't think that's been established yet.
Perhaps you're unaware how difficult it is to prove a negative? IF he was filmed at the scene at night in the past, that's evidence that could be used to support the claim that he was "casing the place" (though I think that's a stretch, given I don't see any kind of criminal activity in Arbery's past, and some possible police abuse in the past)
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, hold on a cotton pickin' minute.... It's not an "outright lie", it's one of the facts that's in dispute. Supposedly he was staying with his mother "a few miles from the scene", but I don't think that's been established yet.
Perhaps you're unaware how difficult it is to prove a negative? IF he was filmed at the scene at night in the past, that's evidence that could be used to support the claim that he was "casing the place" (though I think that's a stretch, given I don't see any kind of criminal activity in Arbery's past, and some possible police abuse in the past)Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou mean like when you guys went apoplectic about a "white guy" killing a "black man", when Zimmerman was actually Hispanic, or, as some idiot at the New York Times described him - a "white Hispanic"?
And you care so much for Trayvon that you can't even get his name right.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou mean like when you guys went apoplectic about a "white guy" killing a "black man", when Zimmerman was actually Hispanic, or, as some idiot at the New York Times described him - a "white Hispanic"?Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-25-2020, 10:31 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd where did the 10 miles away accusation come from? I haven't seen it cited anywhere other than from, MM.
Right, so then you don't posit a negative.
I've seen no direct evidence that Arberry was ever there before.
Not that it would matter if he was.
There is really not a whole lot that is left at construction site like that to be stolen anyway. What was he going to do carry lumber 2 1/2 miles to his house?
Here's the problem --- you keep coming up with nutty theories or questions to discount actual facts, instead of looking at the actual facts and seeing where they lead.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually considering Hispanics white is a common accepted racial designation, and yes Hispanics are a wide range of racial mix from pure Caucasian to Native American mix like Mestizo. Hispanic is more a cultural designation as being from the Hispanic culture of South and Central America. The tribal people of South and Central America with very little mixing are considered Native American, and not White.
Why did New York Times call George Zimmerman ‘white Hispanic’?
The national media doesn’t do stories on black-on-black crime. . . . They don’t do stories on black-on-white crime. . . . The New York Times, in almost a caricature of a liberal media, refers to George Zimmerman as a ‘white Hispanic.’ I guarantee you that if George Zimmerman did something good — if he finished first in his high school graduating class when he was younger — they wouldn’t refer to him as a white Hispanic, he’d just be a Hispanic. . . . He’s only a ‘white Hispanic’ because they need the word ‘white’ to further the story line, which is, White, probably racist vigilante shoots an unarmed black kid.
National Review’s Jonah Goldberg advances a twin argument, blasting the use of the “white Hispanic” term: “It’s the way the blame for Martin’s death belongs squarely at the feet of ‘the system.’ And ‘the system’ is a white thing, don’t you know?”
Here’s an example of what Goldberg and Goldberg are citing: “Mr. Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, told the police that he shot Trayvon in self-defense after an altercation.” That line comes from a March 22 New York Times news story about a development in the case.
The formulation is indeed an eyebrow-lifter. How often does such a term get tossed about? A Nexis search of the New York Times for “white Hispanic” over the past five years turns up 112 results. Yet that number is deceptively large....
The article goes on to expose the falsehood that "white Hispanic" is a common term.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Here's the problem --- you keep coming up with nutty theories or questions to discount actual facts, instead of looking at the actual facts and seeing where they lead.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPeople were apoplectic, as you define it, because it was a murder based on racism.,
not because the murderer was white.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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