Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.

[Mountain Man]

"The only one they went after is a black male" is a fact. It is not my opinion, and it is not soeculation.

We don't know who else they "went after". For all we know, they confronted every person they saw trespassing. I really don't get you. Why are you so quick to judge in the absence of facts?

[oxmixmudd]

We don't know who else they "went after". For all we know, they confronted every person they saw trespassing. I really don't get you. Why are you so quick to judge in the absence of facts?

You'll say literally anything to get these guys off or to avoid admitting you are wrong. There is no indications they went after the other 'trespassers' and the timeline of their involvement points to this being the first and only time they took aggressive action related to 'trespassers' at that house. And it's simply a fact the one they went after and killed was a young black man. MM : "If the facts aren't good enough, make stuff up!"

[Mountain Man]

You'll say literally anything to get these guys off or to avoid admitting you are wrong.

Yeah, saying that we should wait for all the facts is pretty crazy, isn't it?

[oxmixmudd]

Yeah, saying that we should wait for all the facts is pretty crazy, isn't it?

We have the facts wrt who they went after. Are you expecting a body farm to surface with the other 'trespassers' in it?

And where is this 'wait for the facts' attitude wrt joe biden? Or Blaise Ford? Or Bright?, or Comey.

Seems your wait for the facts attitude is reserved for the white guys that killed tte black guy.

[Mountain Man]

We have the facts...

We have some of the facts. We still don't have a complete picture, and we likely won't until after a statement from the prosecutor, and maybe not even until the trial is underway (assuming there is a trial).

I'm willing to keep an open mind. Are you?

[MaxVel]

You know you've really jumped the shark when you make Mountain Man look like the reasoned and calm voice of moderation.

You ought to think about that, Ox.



(No offence meant, MM)

[Mountain Man]

You know you've really jumped the shark when you make Mountain Man look like the reasoned and calm voice of moderation.

You ought to think about that, Ox.



(No offence meant, MM)

(No offense taken, because I'm typically the calm voice of moderation.)

Anyway, let's put things into perspective. Since the Arbery incident, there have been a number of black-on-white murders, including:

February 25, 2020: Five teens charged with capital murder in death of 16-year-old Biloxi girl
February 26, 2020: 15-year-old charged with murder of North Little Rock cemetery worker
April 3, 2020: Second arrest made after slain teen’s body left on side of gravel road in Lancaster Co.
April 4, 2020: Teens charged for the 'targeted' murder of a Wisconsin doctor and an education coach
April 15, 2020: Two charged with murder, third suspect wanted in death of UNCW student
May 15, 2020: Parolee accused of murder left prison early due to ongoing COVID response by state
May 18, 2020: 80-Year-Old “Perfect Grandma” Stabbed To Death By Career Criminal Who Was Out On Bond

And yet the only story making national headlines, and the only one we're supposed to be collectively outraged about, is the Arbery case.

I'll mention another interesting point: it actually took quite a bit of digging to find those stories because the vast majority of crimes of this nature are only ever reported by the local news, and even then, ethnicity is rarely mentioned (the media uses code words like "youths" and "teens" and other broad terms when describing crimes committed by blacks). Black-on-white crimes are almost wholly ignored by the national media, even when it's a big story, such as the black man who was recently convicted of murder for a 2017 killing spree in which his goal was to kill as many white people as possible. If you flipped the race of the murderer and the victims, this would have been a top headline story for at least a week, but I bet this is the first most here are hearing about it. And if Arbery was white, and the men who confronted him were black, I doubt we would even be talking about it.

[oxmixmudd]

You know you've really jumped the shark when you make Mountain Man look like the reasoned and calm voice of moderation.

You ought to think about that, Ox.



(No offence meant, MM)

Honestly Maxvel - are you really going to try to claim MM's conversation on this issue so far is 'the voice of reason? He blatently looks for reason after reason to give the two white guys that shot arbery the benefit of the doubt (think about it, arbery was in a house under construction for a few minutes and because of that these guys are out in a pickup, armed and chasing him down) and he gloms onto to every possibility that maks arbery look bad (he is 'caught trespassing' when in fact a bunch of other folks did the same thing). And his latest 'voice of reason' to claim I'm not being fair is that maybe these guys have been out armed and chasing down other citizens too?

That is not reason max. Reasonable people do not look for every possible reason to excuse two armed men chasing down and eventually killing a fellow that looked in on a house under construction - regardless of race. Reasonable people do not think that these guys chasing down other people the same way (without an ounce of evidence for it) would somehow give one reason to pause and think maybe these guys were not nutsy at the very least. Normal people don't grab their guns and chase after folks looking in on a house under construction. And Normal people don't defend the ones that do.

Maybe you should think about what you have glommed onto here as 'reasonable' Max.

[Bill the Cat]

"The only one they went after is a black male" is a fact. It is not my opinion, and it is not soeculation.

And you have no evidence that his race was involved. At all. He was simply the one the neighbor happened to call the police on. That's all you know.

[oxmixmudd]

(No offense taken, because I'm typically the calm voice of moderation.)

Anyway, let's put things into perspective. Since the Arbery incident, there have been a number of black-on-white murders, including:

February 25, 2020: Five teens charged with capital murder in death of 16-year-old Biloxi girl
February 26, 2020: 15-year-old charged with murder of North Little Rock cemetery worker
April 3, 2020: Second arrest made after slain teen’s body left on side of gravel road in Lancaster Co.
April 4, 2020: Teens charged for the 'targeted' murder of a Wisconsin doctor and an education coach
April 15, 2020: Two charged with murder, third suspect wanted in death of UNCW student
May 15, 2020: Parolee accused of murder left prison early due to ongoing COVID response by state
May 18, 2020: 80-Year-Old “Perfect Grandma” Stabbed To Death By Career Criminal Who Was Out On Bond

And yet the only story making national headlines, and the only one we're supposed to be collectively outraged about, is the Arbery case.

I'll mention another interesting point: it actually took quite a bit of digging to find those stories because the vast majority of crimes of this nature are only ever reported by the local news, and even then, ethnicity is rarely mentioned (the media uses code words like "youths" and "teens" and other broad terms when describing crimes committed by blacks). Black-on-white crimes are almost wholly ignored by the national media, even when it's a big story, such as the black man who was recently convicted of murder for a 2017 killing spree in which his goal was to kill as many white people as possible. If you flipped the race of the murderer and the victims, this would have been a top headline story for at least a week, but I bet this is the first most here are hearing about it. And if Arbery was white, and the men who confronted him were black, I doubt we would even be talking about it.

wow! just wow!

And you claim not to be racist ... yikes! This is like straight out of WS/Neo-Nazi propaganda playbook. This IS the sort of rhetoric they use to build their ranks.

[Bill the Cat]

Honestly Maxvel - are you really going to try to claim MM's conversation on this issue so far is 'the voice of reason? He blatently looks for reason after reason to give the two white guys that shot arbery the benefit of the doubt (think about it, arbery was in a house under construction for a few minutes and because of that these guys are out in a pickup, armed and chasing him down) and he gloms onto to every possibility that maks arbery look bad (he is 'caught trespassing' when in fact a bunch of other folks did the same thing). And his latest 'voice of reason' to claim I'm not being fair is that maybe these guys have been out armed and chasing down other citizens too?

That is not reason max. Reasonable people do not look for every possible reason to excuse two armed men chasing down and eventually killing a fellow that looked in on a house under construction - regardless of race. Reasonable people do not think that these guys chasing down other people the same way (without an ounce of evidence for it) would somehow give one reason to pause and think maybe these guys were not nutsy at the very least. Normal people don't grab their guns and chase after folks looking in on a house under construction. And Normal people don't defend the ones that do.

Maybe you should think about what you have glommed onto here as 'reasonable' Max.

Again, conveniently leaving out key facts, Jim. Why?

[Bill the Cat]

wow! just wow!

And you claim not to be racist ... yikes! This is like straight out of WS/Neo-Nazi propaganda playbook. This IS the sort of rhetoric they use to build their ranks.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of the media in covering race-based killings is not racist, Jim.

[oxmixmudd]

And you have no evidence that his race was involved. At all. He was simply the one the neighbor happened to call the police on. That's all you know.

The point of my post was to counter MM's claim I was speculating BTC when I was simply recounting the facts. The facts are: Two white men grabbed their guns and chased down a black man who was seen on a property under construction, and in the process of that confrontation, the black man was killed. I did not offer an opinion as to why they chased him down except for what they themselves have admitted - he was on the property of a house under construction.

but you aren't complaining about that - are you. You want me to HIDE the fact this was two white men chasing down a black man - right? If I hide that fact, then I'm being fair, is that how it goes? Is it better if I hide their races? Are you more or less inclined to think the fellow killed was treated unjustly if I hide the races? Are you more or less inclined to think the fellow killed was 'up to no good' if I hide their races? Are you more or less inclined to thinking the shooters are guilty if I hide their races?

Ask yourself those questions in private BTC, after you get over your annoyance with me for making the point. Just between you and God. And keep your answers to yourself and deal with them quietly so the roar of this site's unholy drone does not keep you from hearing God's still small voice and keep you from dealing with the truth about what may sit just below the surface.

[oxmixmudd]

Pointing out the hypocrisy of the media in covering race-based killings is not racist, Jim.

It is in this case BTC. And it's not hypocrisy - the reality of white oppression of black people is not a fantasy BTC. It is a centuries long reality. A reality that still exists. It exists in gerrymandered voting districts that focus the black vote on a small handful of representatives, in organized campaigns to prevent poor black voters from getting to the polls. It exists in discrimination in housing and neighborhoods, in differential treatment by law enforcement, in the legacies of poverty and violence, in pay disparities, and education. A black child is more likely to go hungry, less likely to get a good education, more likely to die by gunshot, more likely to end up in crime, less likely to be payed as well as his white counterpart. This is REALITY BTC, not fantasy. And it is something that will continue as long as we continue to pretend these realities are somehow 'their fault'. The legacy of slavery and racism continues BTC. It's more subtle, but it is still there, and only God knows what it will take to change it. But ignoring it or pretending it does not exist most certainly will let it live on.

[Mountain Man]

wow! just wow!

And you claim not to be racist ... yikes! This is like straight out of WS/Neo-Nazi propaganda playbook. This IS the sort of rhetoric they use to build their ranks.

Just because you are determined to misconstrue my comments as racist doesn't make them racist.