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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    I thought Jesus was just YHWH's son. Was he just the son,? Or was Jesus both the father and the son? A portion of each, or what? Did he have some of the holy spirit in him too? Or did he separate from the other two when he bcame flesh?
    You are not hearing. All appearances of YHWH, John 1:18 KJV, NKJV is the Son, Genesis 12:7, John 14:6. One God [YHWH], distinct Persons.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    You are not hearing. All appearances of YHWH, John 1:18 KJV, NKJV is the Son, Genesis 12:7, John 14:6. One God [YHWH], distinct Persons.
    So, does the son detach himself from the father and the holy spirit when he inhabits the flesh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    You are not hearing. All appearances of YHWH, John 1:18 KJV, NKJV is the Son, Genesis 12:7, John 14:6. One God [YHWH], distinct Persons.
    The Son only changed how He was with YHWH, but never ceased being YHWH. The Son has also always been with YHWH. John 1:1-2.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    The Son only changed how He was with YHWH, but never ceased being YHWH. The Son has also always been with YHWH. John 1:1-2.
    Wait a minute, was he with YHWH, or was he YHWH? You're saying both in the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Wait a minute, was he with YHWH, or was he YHWH? You're saying both in the above.
    There are other threads where the Trinitarian understanding of God is discussed. The conception of the oneness of God along in connection with the distinction of persons in this Godhead originates in the Old Testament and continues into the insight of Christ within the Godhead. This current thread is not the best place to rehash those discussions. Or, you can start a fresh discussion on this so you don't have to work through so much of the matured threads.

    So, does the son detach himself from the father and the holy spirit when he inhabits the flesh?
    If you want to explore misconceptions like this, you would have to read about the history of heresies. Some conceptions of the Trinity weren't quite so heretical but still needed clarification. I'm not sure that you would be curious enough about more details on the clearing up of the details about the Trinity though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Wait a minute, was he with YHWH, or was he YHWH? You're saying both in the above.
    Yes.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    What about lust?

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    What does it mean to lust? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    My wifeís priest talked once about going to a youth camp and having the young boys come up and say ďIím struggling with lust.Ē This was often spoken of in secret as if it would be big news that young Christian boys deal with lust. I suspect there would be far more concern if they were NOT dealing with lust.

    So letís look at the passage in question in Matthew 5.

    27 ďYou have heard that it was said, ĎYou shall not commit adultery.í 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.Ē

    Letís start off first with what lust is not. Lust is not noticing that a woman is beautiful, even if sheís not your wife. (Keep in mind, I am saying this for men, but women just reverse the claims and it fits for you too.) Thatís just acknowledging reality. God made the human body to be beautiful and I think even women would agree that the female body in particular is uniquely beautiful.

    Throughout Scripture, when a woman is praised, one of the main qualities praised about her is her beauty. No more beautiful women were found in the land than the daughters of Job. Esther was prized for her unique beauty and won the kingís favor. Abigail was said to be discerning and beautiful. The Song of Songs is quite explicit with the glorious features of the woman.

    Lust is more in the how and why you are looking at the woman. A constantly stare can very easily become lust. If all you think about is just using the woman for your own pleasure, then you have a problem. I do not think you have a problem if you are, for example, engaged to a woman and you look at her and you dream of your upcoming wedding night when you can give all your love to her. A man will naturally wonder what he has to look forward to when he gets to take all the clothes off the woman he loves. Spoiler alert single men: You wonít be disappointed.

    If you are engaging with pornography, you are definitely involved in lust. Pornography teaches you to use women and gives you false ideas of what women like and donít like. Pornography is simply a lie. Also, it wonít spice up your marriage as some think. It might have some short-term benefits, but in the long-term, it will only hurt.

    Every woman out there is someoneís daughter and needs to be treated with respect. She is not just a body. She is a person. Treat her like just a body and you miss out.

    By the way women, if you want to change the way youíre often treated, then make sure you let every man know youíre worth waiting for. Women really control the sex market. Guys are the huge majority of the times the ones buying as it were.

    You determine how much youíre worth before you give yourself entirely to a man. One date? A week? Three weeks? A month? Six months? A year? Engagement? Or are you worth a lifetime commitment paid upfront? There are many women who have given themselves to the man in their lives thinking that then he will love her only to find that a few days later he dumps her and moves on to his next conquest.

    And guys, even after you marry it is good to always be pursuing your wife. Donít just do it when you want something, which face it, is usually 24/7. Do it just for her. Stop and get random gifts just because.

    Ultimately though, what makes lust similar to hate is the cost/benefit analysis. The danger with lust is that it means that all things being equal, if you got the chance and you thought the benefits outweighed the cost, you would have sex with someone youíre not married to. Many an affair starts with just a man and a woman on their lunch break and just talking together and then not too much later theyíre meeting in a hotel room because ďThis person just truly understands me!Ē Very few spouses wake up one morning and say ďI think Iíll screw up my marriage and have an affair!Ē

    There is hardly any drive more powerful in people than the sex drive and it can totally overcome reason when left unchecked. Like all others though, it starts off small, with lust. Deal with the problem at the root before it becomes a deadly plant.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Lust sounds creepy. I wouldn't want anyone thinking naughty thoughts about me.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    What about divorce?

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    What did Jesus say in the Sermon about divorce? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Letís just jump into the verses in question.

    31 ďIt has been said, ĎAnyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.í 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

    I donít think itís a coincidence that this comes after talking about lust. That would mean Jesus is saying that it doesnít matter if your eye catches someone more appealing. You have a covenant that you are already in and you are to honor that covenant.

    Letís state the matter seriously. Divorce is an evil. Period.

    ďBut Nick! You donít understand! My wife was cheating on me!Ē ďYou donít get it! My husband was abusive!Ē ďThe children were in danger from my spouse!Ē

    Yes. All of those can be true and in a number of cases, divorce can even be sadly advisable, but it is still an evil. Why? Because itís tragic that a case where two people vowed to love and remain faithful to one another until death was shattered because someone decided to break the covenant.

    This is not to say then that everyone who has divorced is guilty of an evil. My parents were both divorced before their current marriage because both of their spouses were unfaithful. Itís good today that theyíre together, but itís tragic that both of them married spouses who broke their covenant.

    Thatís also something important to stress today. Marriage is a covenant. It doesnít depend on your feelings or emotions at the time. If it did, marriages would shatter constantly. (Maybe that is why they are so much as many people do just that.) Marriage is a promise. How you treat it says less about your spouse really and more about you.

    Also, keep in mind that not all of the above scenarios necessitate a divorce. Suppose there is a husband who is cheating on his wife. Some marriages can bounce back and be strong even after an affair. It does require therapy and repentance, but it is doable.

    If you have children in a marriage, they will be the ones who suffer the most from divorce. Not too long ago I read a book called Primal Loss. Itís from a Catholic perspective and all the participants are Catholic, but all of them were still deeply hurt by what happened with their parents and it doesnít matter what age theyíre at.

    Marriage is a covenant that requires work. In Jesusís day, one school of thought said a husband could divorce his wife for anything displeasing, such as hypothetically if she burnt his toast in the morning. Jesus ups the ante tremendously and says marriage is for life entirely. Paul ups the ante and says that even if a believer is married to an unbeliever, if they are not being in danger, they should stay with the marriage. They may convert their spouse after all.

    Fortunately, Shaunti Feldhahn has done some great research showing the idea that divorce is as common among Christians as non-Christians is a great myth. However, it is still way too common. All of us need to do what we can to honor marriage. That includes singles as well, such as saying if youíre not marrying that youíre going to remain celibate.

    The rest of us, remember we made a vow before God and man. Letís keep it. God will hold us all accountable after all for how we treated our spouses.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
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    On Separation

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    What about separation in marriage? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    After writing on divorce yesterday, an appreciative reader asked my thoughts on separation. Now as I said, I think on some level divorce is always an evil even when it should be done. Itís an evil that someone did something to break a promise before God and man and someone can often be an innocent victim of that.

    Sometimes though, a couple might just need some time apart. Even healthy couples need some time apart for each one to focus on some of their own hobbies, interests, and development. I love having my Mrs. around, but there can be times when sheís away with a friend and I do some of the things I like to do that she doesnít really care for.

    I was asked to share the thoughts from Scripture on separation. I really donít think that category existed in the ancient world. I could be wrong about that, but I havenít seen anything on that. Also, Scripture tells us how to do marriage and the purpose of marriage, but it really doesnít tell us about marital counseling.

    So what are some guidelines I would do?

    If this is done, I think the goal should be to try to save the marriage and not to end it. Christians are to focus on redemption. In that case then, let it be that you will spend time working on your own problems in the marriage, even if youíre just hypothetically 1% of the problem. Itís easy to focus on what your spouse needs to do, at least in your eyes, but you have no control over that. You do have control over yourself.

    As a Christian, pray for them and for your marriage and to go back to the first point, ask that you would be shown what youíre doing wrong in the situation. We all have sinful tendencies in us that need to be improved. We all have areas where we are less than perfect people.

    Iíd advise you to stay faithful in a separation as well. Donít be dating other people and definitely not having sex with other people. If youíre a Christian, this will reflect badly on you. If the marriage doesnít work out sadly, there is time for that later.

    There are times that separation can be needed. Definitely go with separation if there is abuse going on that puts someone in danger, be it you or children. It is imperative that the spouse get therapy and take steps to show that they are serious about recovery, such as a 12-step program in Celebrate Recovery.

    Another example could be pornography. Since this is normally a problem for men, though women can have it too, this might be a case where a wife is justified in saying no to bedroom privileges. Again, I always think that is a drastic step, but a wife needs to show how hurtful pornography is to her.

    Definitely any couple undergoing separation needs to undergo marriage counseling together. Many a pastor is trained to some degree in marriage counseling, though they could recommend a specialist as well. My wife is a catechumen in the Orthodox Church and her mentor has informed me that all priests in that church are trained in marriage counseling as well, which I highly admire. This is also why I think those who lead a church should strive for higher education.

    Divorce is always a tragedy and while separation can be sad, hopefully, it can lead to healing. Our Christian culture needs to do a better job upholding the sacredness of sex and marriage today. If short-term suffering can lead to long-term joy, it could be the answer.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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