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    2 Thess 2:11 The Great Delusion = social media?

    Darfius proposed a theory that the Mandela effect was the sign of the Great Delusion of 2 Thess 2:11.

    I don't hold this belief because it has psychological explanations for it. However, my theory of what it is also has to do with a type of psychological effect and might not be any less spectacular.

    The fact is we're seeing a great divide between political parties. Both sides of this divide are not looking at facts the same and interpreting situations in completely different ways. IOW, it's like they're creating two completely different realities of any given situation.

    Just one among thousands of examples is the Ahmaud Arbery situation. Two political parties looking at two completely different realities of the exact same event and interpreting the facts completely different. Now, obviously, since I'm a conservative, my belief is that the left's reality is the false reality. Obviously Christians that are left bent will disagree with that. The bottom line is that the two realities can't be the same. One of them is false.

    I think this is a result of social media and it's weird effects its having on the populace in how they view reality. Almost like a mass brainwashing effect for lack of a better word, and because we access this media 24/7, and because the facts are being shared and interpreted by the collective, instead of by a central authority, it's worse than any type of media we previously had.

    My theory is that this may be at least the shadow of the Great Delusion. I'm not saying that this is THE delusion right in this time and place, but that this may be a microcosm of what it will be and how its deception will work on the multiples. Right now we're just seeing tiny remnants of it. It will be a result of the internet and it will shape a type of reality that is false, only when THE delusion comes it will be much greater in magnitude than we're seeing now.
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    I believe the preterist interpretation is more sound, the great delusion has already taken place. In fact almost all prophecies have already taken place, and now we're just waiting for the Ressurection and the Final Judgement.

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    Okay, well, I guess I should have put a disclaimer in the OP, but I forgot the divide between eschatological views here. Oh well, I guess this will go nowhere now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Okay, well, I guess I should have put a disclaimer in the OP, but I forgot the divide between eschatological views here. Oh well, I guess this will go nowhere now.
    I think it's a pretty equal divide, its an honest disagreement amongst Christians about eschathology.

    That being said I share your concern about people not caring quite as much about the real (for lack of a better term). There's a growing disdain for expertise and distrust between institutes that used to be respected and the people. Mind you I'm not saying here who is to blame, people, or the institutions, but that there is such a growing divide is a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    I think it's a pretty equal divide, its an honest disagreement amongst Christians about eschathology.

    That being said I share your concern about people not caring quite as much about the real (for lack of a better term). There's a growing disdain for expertise and distrust between institutes that used to be respected and the people. Mind you I'm not saying here who is to blame, people, or the institutions, but that there is such a growing divide is a shame.
    There are a whole lot of folks out there that actually believe Trump and Putin conspired to get him elected and that Trump is still a Putin asset. They believe this, a whole lot folks, including folks with some social clout -- celebrities, talk show hosts, professors, government people. And if you'd confront these people with the facts, they'd just shoot you down and likely call you a Russian asset yourself or a "Trumpster." They believe in this false reality, that was initially started by some very authoritative institutions, and there's nothing you can say that will change their mind about it. There are hundreds of examples like this. So I know where you're going, but that isn't what I was talking about.
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    Social media has allowed a lot of people to hear about the lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWall View Post
    Social media has allowed a lot of people to hear about the lord.
    There are definitely pluses and negatives about it. Just like there are pluses and negatives about the internet in general. The internet has expanded our knowledge about the world and given us access to information in ways that are unheralded in any other generation. But there are also stark negatives about the internet. It's a give and take. The Lord will use it for his good. Satan will also use it for his evil (not without God allowing it of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Darfius proposed a theory that the Mandela effect was the sign of the Great Delusion of 2 Thess 2:11.

    I don't hold this belief because it has psychological explanations for it. However, my theory of what it is also has to do with a type of psychological effect and might not be any less spectacular.

    The fact is we're seeing a great divide between political parties. Both sides of this divide are not looking at facts the same and interpreting situations in completely different ways. IOW, it's like they're creating two completely different realities of any given situation.

    Just one among thousands of examples is the Ahmaud Arbery situation. Two political parties looking at two completely different realities of the exact same event and interpreting the facts completely different. Now, obviously, since I'm a conservative, my belief is that the left's reality is the false reality. Obviously Christians that are left bent will disagree with that. The bottom line is that the two realities can't be the same. One of them is false.

    I think this is a result of social media and it's weird effects its having on the populace in how they view reality. Almost like a mass brainwashing effect for lack of a better word, and because we access this media 24/7, and because the facts are being shared and interpreted by the collective, instead of by a central authority, it's worse than any type of media we previously had.

    My theory is that this may be at least the shadow of the Great Delusion. I'm not saying that this is THE delusion right in this time and place, but that this may be a microcosm of what it will be and how its deception will work on the multiples. Right now we're just seeing tiny remnants of it. It will be a result of the internet and it will shape a type of reality that is false, only when THE delusion comes it will be much greater in magnitude than we're seeing now.
    I think you are mistaking medium for message. Social Media is a medium for broadcasting messages. Certainly, no other age has had it and certainly no other age is so easy for someone in (random place 1) Greece influence someone in (random place 2) Uruguay. There are many more messages coming at us and certainly it's easy to get caught into your own bubble of only hearing what reinforces your beliefs.

    I think what your describing is a loss of belief in truth and an increase of individualism. There is no longer a truth we all agree on. I have my truth with its facts which is true even if your truth and facts disagree with it. Truth has become self-defining. It's no wonder we can't find common ground (or the real as Leonhard put it) anymore. It's only going to get worse. I think we may be approaching the point when the US becomes ungovernable.

    Since I'm not a preterist, I see this has a necessary step for the revelation of the Anti-Christ. He will bring back together for a time what has been torn apart. So I would watch social media for a convergence of messages back to a single person or single movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    The fact is we're seeing a great divide between political parties. Both sides of this divide are not looking at facts the same and interpreting situations in completely different ways. IOW, it's like they're creating two completely different realities of any given situation.

    Just one among thousands of examples is the Ahmaud Arbery situation. Two political parties looking at two completely different realities of the exact same event and interpreting the facts completely different. Now, obviously, since I'm a conservative, my belief is that the left's reality is the false reality. Obviously Christians that are left bent will disagree with that. The bottom line is that the two realities can't be the same. One of them is false.
    But is this something that's happening generally or not? You talk about two parties and dramatic divide, and that's true--in the US. What of other countries? A lot of countries have a lot more than just two big political parties as well as countries where one political party is dominant. And even those that do have two big political parties aren't necessarily divided in the same way the US is--the US had two major political parties throughout most of its history but it is only more recently we're really seeing such a strong divide. Can this be demonstrated as occurring worldwide? If not, this seems to be an overly US-centric viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    But is this something that's happening generally or not? You talk about two parties and dramatic divide, and that's true--in the US. What of other countries? A lot of countries have a lot more than just two big political parties as well as countries where one political party is dominant. And even those that do have two big political parties aren't necessarily divided in the same way the US is--the US had two major political parties throughout most of its history but it is only more recently we're really seeing such a strong divide. Can this be demonstrated as occurring worldwide? If not, this seems to be an overly US-centric viewpoint.
    You make a valid point, but I did say I believe it's just a microcosm of what's coming.

    I'm not entirely certain how this phenomenon is affecting the rest of the world (some places of the world still don't even have the internet), but I would assume that the west is pretty much the top-down population when it comes to evil influence of this nature, thus Satan would have to be much more meticulous and concentrated in his deception. What I mean by that, out of all the countries worldwide, we'd be the most difficult country to advance his deception, but the most effective, since we're the most "scientifically sophisticated," thus he'd have to start on us the earliest. Our unique freedoms also serve as a deterrent. It's not like China or any other dictatorial country where they can, for the most part, control the information that flows from social media, which makes a deception in those places much easier. He doesn't have to be as meticulous in Muslim countries, another example, because he already has them under the control of a false religion.

    The best way I see Satan getting us primed for a coming deception is by creating this divide, distrust, confusion in our society, while making one political side (or even both at times) believe in these false realities, as opposed to the more direct controlled deceptions taking place in countries like China.

    IOW, I guess I'd sum it up this way: he's not priming mankind the same in all countries because of our distinctions. In some countries, he's more direct and abrupt, and in others more subtle and meticulous. Eventually these lies and false realities will converge somehow on a global level when "he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."
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