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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLurch View Post
    Which we know release sufficient chemical to power modern metabolisms. And you claimed they didn't have sufficient power to handle extremely primitive cells. It's a phenomenally dumb statement.
    But that's not what is being said.

    Your attempted way around it is to claim they don't have a sufficient proton gradient to power ATP production. But, as i just pointed out, ATP production probably didn't evolve for millions of years after primitive cells had formed.
    That is sheer speculation, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    But that's not what is being said.
    Unless you change your whole story telling line. That is what is being said.


    That is sheer speculation, though.
    That describes your whole story line in one brief sentence.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    But that's not what is being said.
    Then explain what, exactly, is being said.

    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    That is sheer speculation, though.
    Lee's argument, this entire thread: ATP production through environmental proton gradients couldn't have evolved at hydrothermal vents.

    Me: It probably didn't evolve through that mechanism.

    Lee's response: That's sheer speculation!

    Me:
    "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."

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