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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    My link shows that our testing rate is ~35k per million. The countries above us are testing at around 300k-400k per million!

    How does this data make your point?
    Still donít get it? Gosh, I knew you needed help, but not this much.

    How many countries exist, in the world?
    What is the average population of the countries with a higher per million rate?
    What is the highest populated country, on the top 20?
    What is the next populated country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Still donít get it? Gosh, I knew you needed help, but not this much.

    How many countries exist, in the world?
    195 (one for every IQ point I have!)


    What is the average population of the countries with a higher per million rate?
    What difference would that make?


    What is the highest populated country, on the top 20?
    PRC I'm sure.


    What is the next populated country?
    Below us? Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And since we are NOT at 2 Million because of the measures enacted by the POTUS... c'mon Jimmy... you can say it!!!


    We are not at 2 million for many different reasons, most of them independent of or in spite of Trump:


    1 Projection inaccuracy
    -- a) The disease has a lower overall mortality that original estimates due to a high percentage of asymptomatic carriers
    -- b) early projections may or may not have accounted for measures that were yet to come (e.g. shelter in place)
    2) Governors took matters into their own hands and against Trumps wishes enacted shelter in place home orders.
    ---- I would give Cuomo's televised talks to the state of new york a great deal of credit for shaping perceptions in this arena
    3) Governors took matters into their own hands and procured PPE and equipment
    4) congress worked to get financial assistance where it was needed, although severely hampered by Donard Trump and his antics
    5) The media put huge amounts of pressure on Donald Trump and the Administration to stop ignoring this thing and act


    I would NOT give the Trump administration much credit at all. Their actions were far more destructive than constructive (and continue to be)

    In fact, and more to the point, we didn't need to have as many deaths as we have regardless of what some early predictions might have been. And had the Trump administration actually acted on the information they had in a timely fashion instead of hiding their heads in the sand we would have far less deaths that we now have, and far fewer people waiting to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    ...
    I would NOT give the Trump administration much credit at all...
    That's all that you said that is true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    195 (one for every IQ point I have!)
    So being in 10th place, out of 195, is bad?

    What difference would that make?
    You should know how math works. The US has performed the most test, 13.1 million vs the next highest, Russia at 7.8 million. Since our country is more than double the population, we need to perform over 2 times the test, just to break even with Russia.

    PRC I'm sure.
    Which havenít released their numbers and has an impossible number of infections/deaths. India, has a very low amount of testing.

    Below us? Thailand.
    Along with 183 countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    So being in 10th place, out of 195, is bad?
    It depends on the context of course. I would say being 10th given the (former) wealth and power of the USA is bad.


    You should know how math works. The US has performed the most test, 13.1 million vs the next highest, Russia at 7.8 million. Since our country is more than double the population, we need to perform over 2 times the test, just to break even with Russia.
    The term you're looking for is 'per capita', not 'average'. Trump also had a hard time with the concept yesterday as it turns out.


    Which havenít released their numbers and has an impossible number of infections/deaths. India, has a very low amount of testing.
    And...?


    Along with 183 countries.
    I had no idea you viewed the USA so poorly that striving to be #1 in everything wasn't a goal. Sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    That's all that you said that is true.
    And that is simply a lie:

    example where you know it is true but are lying (because you've mentioned it too!):

    The disease has a lower overall mortality that original estimates due to a high percentage of asymptomatic carriers


    example that is just true regardless because semantically it can't be any thing but true unless ALL early projections either did or did not take into account mitigations:

    early projections may or may not have accounted for measures that were yet to come (e.g. shelter in place)


    examples where if you think they are false, you are just wrong:

    Governors took matters into their own hands and against Trumps wishes enacted shelter in place home orders.

    as these began, Trump was against this, he eventually came around ... sort of)

    Governors took matters into their own hands and procured PPE and equipment

    They most cetainly did. Case in point, my home state of Maryland, our governor leveraged a relationship with S. Korea to get tests he otherwise could not get from the federal government (and took steps to ensure the Feds did not confiscate them 1) brought them in via chartered flight to BWI, 2) escorted them under guard to a secured, undisclosed location)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    It depends on the context of course. I would say being 10th given the (former) wealth and power of the USA is bad.
    True, context matters, but itís a handicapped race from the start. The US is the third largest country, by population, in the world. This means we need to perform more test, just to break even.

    The term you're looking for is 'per capita', not 'average'. Trump also had a hard time with the concept yesterday as it turns out.
    And again, double the population, more spread out = more work.

    And...?
    That weíre doing fine, accounting for our size and population.

    I had no idea you viewed the USA so poorly that striving to be #1 in everything wasn't a goal. Sad!
    Being number 1, in everything, is impossible. Even you should know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    True, context matters, but itís a handicapped race from the start. The US is the third largest country, by population, in the world. This means we need to perform more test, just to break even.
    Not true. Testing *when* and *where* it mattered would have done wonders. Hong Kong has very high population density and has a tremendous amount of traffic with PRC every single day. Yet they have done insanely better than we have.



    And again, double the population, more spread out = more work.
    MM, the link I pasted was to a per capita breakdown. If you're too lazy to read the link then...


    That weíre doing fine, accounting for our size and population.
    What quantitative measures tell you that?


    Being number 1, in everything, is impossible. Even you should know that.
    Notice my use of the word "striving."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Not true. Testing *when* and *where* it mattered would have done wonders. Hong Kong has very high population density and has a tremendous amount of traffic with PRC every single day. Yet they have done insanely better than we have.
    And wasnít it the American media telling us it wasnít that bad and we had nothing to worry about in Jan and Feb? Weird how places that didnít trust the CCP did better, isnít it?

    FYI, comparing a single city, to an entire country, isnít a very good measurement.

    MM, the link I pasted was to a per capita breakdown. If you're too lazy to read the link then...
    Youíre very confused, huh?

    What quantitative measures tell you that?
    The one where most of the world has poor to no testing data?

    Notice my use of the word "striving."
    Which is what fools say. Youíll never be number 1 in everything. Itís much better to be good in areas where it counts.
    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 05-21-2020 at 11:57 AM.
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