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    B Theory Of Time...

    If the B Theory of time is correct, why would we have access (by memory) to past events but not to future events? And if our experience of the passing of time is an illusion how or why does that illusion arise in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    If the B Theory of time is correct, why would we have access (by memory) to past events but not to future events? And if our experience of the passing of time is an illusion how or why does that illusion arise in the first place?
    Well, I'm not a B-theorist, but one explanation as to why we would only have memories of past events but not future events under B-theory is that in every specific moment of time in which you exist, the memories that are stored in your brain are exclusively of the past in relation to that very moment of time, and every "you" that exists in each of those moments only has access to the memories that exist in your brain at that very moment.


    With regards to the illusion of the passing of time, I have no idea how it arises, I don't think there are any convincing explanations as to how it arises and I don't find it likely any such explanations will ever be forthcoming, which is why I think at least a "pure" B-theory is unlikely to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Well, I'm not a B-theorist, but one explanation as to why we would only have memories of past events but not future events under B-theory is that in every specific moment of time in which you exist, the memories that are stored in your brain are exclusively of the past in relation to that very moment of time, and every "you" that exists in each of those moments only has access to the memories that exist in your brain at that very moment.
    But don't we presently exist in every moment of time? Past present and future? And how can we even speak of moments of time in B theory?

    With regards to the illusion of the passing of time, I have no idea how it arises, I don't think there are any convincing explanations as to how it arises and I don't find it likely any such explanations will ever be forthcoming, which is why I think at least a "pure" B-theory is unlikely to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    But don't we presently exist in every moment of time? Past present and future? And how can we even speak of moments of time in B theory?

    Under B-theory we wouldn't exist in every moment of time, but rather, every moment of time in which you exist would be equally real. So the you that exist in the past, and the you that exist in the future are all equally as real as the you that exists in the present.

    I think one way to look at moments of time under B-theory would be to look at time kind of like a roll of film, where each frame is a separate moment of time. In the same way, under at least some versions (I'm not sure if this is a feature of all theories of time that qualifies as being a B-theory, or only a subset of them) of B-theory, a moment in time would be like a snapshot, or freeze frame of the universe at a specific time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Under B-theory we wouldn't exist in every moment of time, but rather, every moment of time in which you exist would be equally real. So the you that exist in the past, and the you that exist in the future are all equally as real as the you that exists in the present.

    I think one way to look at moments of time under B-theory would be to look at time kind of like a roll of film, where each frame is a separate moment of time. In the same way, under at least some versions (I'm not sure if this is a feature of all theories of time that qualifies as being a B-theory, or only a subset of them) of B-theory, a moment in time would be like a snapshot, or freeze frame of the universe at a specific time.
    I still don't get it, why wouldn't I have access to future memories? Why don't I equally have memories of 2026? Why do past and present tenses register but not future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I still don't get it, why wouldn't I have access to future memories? Why don't I equally have memories of 2026? Why do past and present tenses register but not future?
    Because at any moment of time where you exist you only have access to the memories that are stored in your brain in that moment, and the only memories stored in your brain are from moments that are in the past, relative to that specific moment of time. So no matter which moment of time you look at, the only memories you would have in that moment would be from the past. So the you in 2020 wouldn't have any memories from 2026, because there wouldn't be any memories from 2026 stored in your brain in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Because at any moment of time where you exist you only have access to the memories that are stored in your brain in that moment, and the only memories stored in your brain are from moments that are in the past, relative to that specific moment of time. So no matter which moment of time you look at, the only memories you would have in that moment would be from the past. So the you in 2020 wouldn't have any memories from 2026, because there wouldn't be any memories from 2026 stored in your brain in 2020.
    But why, on the B Theory, isn't my specific moment of time in 2026? Why now? What governs this? I mean the 2026 me exists correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    But why, on the B Theory, isn't my specific moment of time in 2026? Why now? What governs this? I mean the 2026 me exists correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    If time is really tenseless then there really is no past preset or future, the 2026 me exists, as well as the 2020 me, and the 1968 me. But I don't have access to the 2026 me. It seems that that lack of knowledge only makes sense with the A theory of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    If time is really tenseless then there really is no past preset or future, the 2026 me exists, as well as the 2020 me, and the 1968 me. But I don't have access to the 2026 me. It seems that that lack of knowledge only makes sense with the A theory of time.
    That is why I don't buy it myself seer. For one thing, if all of time is equally real, it negates free will completely. The future, your future, according to the B-theory, would be real before you even existed. It's as if the real you were just a spirit experiencing time, experiencing your life, as if it were set down before your experience of it.

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