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    Where Is Our Impact?

    Why don't we make a difference?

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    Why arenít we making a difference? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    I donít remember where I heard it, but I heard someone over the weekend talking about how a small group like the transgenders have such a big impact. Theyíre right. 20 years ago I never would have thought that I would have to defend the idea that men are men and women are women. I never would have thought I would have to defend marriage as a union of a man and a woman. Yet today, these things that were believed for thousands of years by everyone have been called into question.

    Letís look at statistics. Itís my understand that transgenders or people who claim such I should say are actually about .3% of the population. I think homosexuals are really 2-3%. Some sources more leftist indicate a 10% of the population. Letís suppose that that is true. Thatís still definitely a minority.

    And what have these people done? When I fill out surveys online, many times when I get to the question of sex or gender, I see categories put up there for transgender people or people who have been convinced that gender is something fluid that you can just change or is a social construct.

    What about the homosexual movement? How many countries around the world are now redefining marriage? This is something we never would have thought possible to happen a few decades ago and yet now we seem to have a new normal going on.

    What did these people do? They spoke out. They demanded. They used the media. They used the entertainment industry. They were vocal about what they believed and they shared it. Thereís a joke that a transgender, a homosexual, and a vegan walk into a bar. I only know about this because they told everyone within five minutes of entering.

    Now letís compare this to Christians. We have so many churches all across our country. We make up a decent percentage of the population, but letís go light. Letís say Christians only make up 40% of the population. So what are we doing?

    We are the ones who are often marginalized and cast down in society and seen as the backwards people. If anything, weíve probably done something to earn that image. Weíre usually known for what we stand against and not what we stand for. Christians are anti-gay, anti-transgender, anti-science, anti-sex, anti-progress, anti-whatever it is out there.

    Instead, we fail to get out the message that we are really pro-things. Christians are not anti-sex. We should be the most pro-sex people out there. We have the Song of Songs after all! We just value sex so much that we think it should be used in the proper time and place. Like all people, we put barriers around the things that matter to us.

    We need to use the media to the best of our advantage. Can Christians please make decent movies and video games and TV shows sometime? Believe it or not, you donít have to explicitly state the Gospel in every single thing you do. C.S. Lewis never did that in his works and yet those works have stood the test of time. A number of atheists can even easily enjoy the Narnia series.

    And you know, maybe sometimes we should make good content just because itís good content. You donít have to make everything into evangelism. Be good at what you do regardless and you will draw attention to yourself.

    Definitely, we need a more informed populace. We need to know what Christianity is, why itís true, and why it matters. If the average Christian cannot articulate a basic defense of Christianity and what difference it makes, then they are not prepared. I still remember to this day a lady in a small group I was in who said, ďIím saved and my children are saved so Iím just waiting for Jesus to come.Ē A lady like this is part of the problem. What about if your kids go to college and lose their faith? What about everybody elseís kids?

    We Christians are way too focused on our own selves and looking out for ourselves instead of going out there and changing the world. We can say the homosexuals and transgenders and progressives have a false gospel, but it doesnít help us to do that because at least they are out there sharing it. They are more true to a false gospel and we are false to the true gospel.

    Most of the media we make when we make it anyway is for us. Christian movies are made for Christians. Other people arenít going to see them so weíre just preaching to the choir. When Fifty Shades of Grey came out, right alongside it came Old-Fashioned where the guy wouldnít even be in the same room with the girl in the trailers at least. Guess which one the world was more interested in. Thatís not saying Christians should make movies like Fifty Shades, but we should make a movie that people would want to see and would show Christianity as something that they would not only want, but at least want to be true.

    Definitely every church needs to teach some apologetics. Every church should have at least one go-to person in the congregation for apologetics. Larger churches will need more. Every church should have someone they can call when Jehovahís Witnesses and Mormons come by. (Speaking of being true to a false gospel, they tend to do more evangelism than we do.) Definitely, youth need to be trained up long before they are ready to go off to college.

    Itís bizarre to me that we can have events about how to divorce-proof your marriage or how to be a good parent or how to get out of financial debt, and we should, but we so rarely have them on why Christianity is true and what difference it makes. Itís as if the only reason to be a Christian is to have a good marriage, be a good parent, and live debt free. Do those things, but donít forget the engine behind them.

    While we disagree with those other groups, letís admit that we can learn something from them. We should definitely not do anything immoral, but we can learn how to do evangelism better. We can learn how to use media and culture better. We have nothing less at stake than the lives of countless souls all over the world.

    Think itís worth it?

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    Why don't we make a difference?

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    Why arenít we making a difference? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    I donít remember where I heard it, but I heard someone over the weekend talking about how a small group like the transgenders have such a big impact. Theyíre right. 20 years ago I never would have thought that I would have to defend the idea that men are men and women are women. I never would have thought I would have to defend marriage as a union of a man and a woman. Yet today, these things that were believed for thousands of years by everyone have been called into question.

    Letís look at statistics. Itís my understand that transgenders or people who claim such I should say are actually about .3% of the population. I think homosexuals are really 2-3%. Some sources more leftist indicate a 10% of the population. Letís suppose that that is true. Thatís still definitely a minority.

    And what have these people done? When I fill out surveys online, many times when I get to the question of sex or gender, I see categories put up there for transgender people or people who have been convinced that gender is something fluid that you can just change or is a social construct.

    What about the homosexual movement? How many countries around the world are now redefining marriage? This is something we never would have thought possible to happen a few decades ago and yet now we seem to have a new normal going on.

    What did these people do? They spoke out. They demanded. They used the media. They used the entertainment industry. They were vocal about what they believed and they shared it. Thereís a joke that a transgender, a homosexual, and a vegan walk into a bar. I only know about this because they told everyone within five minutes of entering.

    Now letís compare this to Christians. We have so many churches all across our country. We make up a decent percentage of the population, but letís go light. Letís say Christians only make up 40% of the population. So what are we doing?

    We are the ones who are often marginalized and cast down in society and seen as the backwards people. If anything, weíve probably done something to earn that image. Weíre usually known for what we stand against and not what we stand for. Christians are anti-gay, anti-transgender, anti-science, anti-sex, anti-progress, anti-whatever it is out there.

    Instead, we fail to get out the message that we are really pro-things. Christians are not anti-sex. We should be the most pro-sex people out there. We have the Song of Songs after all! We just value sex so much that we think it should be used in the proper time and place. Like all people, we put barriers around the things that matter to us.

    We need to use the media to the best of our advantage. Can Christians please make decent movies and video games and TV shows sometime? Believe it or not, you donít have to explicitly state the Gospel in every single thing you do. C.S. Lewis never did that in his works and yet those works have stood the test of time. A number of atheists can even easily enjoy the Narnia series.

    And you know, maybe sometimes we should make good content just because itís good content. You donít have to make everything into evangelism. Be good at what you do regardless and you will draw attention to yourself.

    Definitely, we need a more informed populace. We need to know what Christianity is, why itís true, and why it matters. If the average Christian cannot articulate a basic defense of Christianity and what difference it makes, then they are not prepared. I still remember to this day a lady in a small group I was in who said, ďIím saved and my children are saved so Iím just waiting for Jesus to come.Ē A lady like this is part of the problem. What about if your kids go to college and lose their faith? What about everybody elseís kids?

    We Christians are way too focused on our own selves and looking out for ourselves instead of going out there and changing the world. We can say the homosexuals and transgenders and progressives have a false gospel, but it doesnít help us to do that because at least they are out there sharing it. They are more true to a false gospel and we are false to the true gospel.

    Most of the media we make when we make it anyway is for us. Christian movies are made for Christians. Other people arenít going to see them so weíre just preaching to the choir. When Fifty Shades of Grey came out, right alongside it came Old-Fashioned where the guy wouldnít even be in the same room with the girl in the trailers at least. Guess which one the world was more interested in. Thatís not saying Christians should make movies like Fifty Shades, but we should make a movie that people would want to see and would show Christianity as something that they would not only want, but at least want to be true.

    Definitely every church needs to teach some apologetics. Every church should have at least one go-to person in the congregation for apologetics. Larger churches will need more. Every church should have someone they can call when Jehovahís Witnesses and Mormons come by. (Speaking of being true to a false gospel, they tend to do more evangelism than we do.) Definitely, youth need to be trained up long before they are ready to go off to college.

    Itís bizarre to me that we can have events about how to divorce-proof your marriage or how to be a good parent or how to get out of financial debt, and we should, but we so rarely have them on why Christianity is true and what difference it makes. Itís as if the only reason to be a Christian is to have a good marriage, be a good parent, and live debt free. Do those things, but donít forget the engine behind them.

    While we disagree with those other groups, letís admit that we can learn something from them. We should definitely not do anything immoral, but we can learn how to do evangelism better. We can learn how to use media and culture better. We have nothing less at stake than the lives of countless souls all over the world.

    Think itís worth it?

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    And you don't think you've been doing that all along? It's just not working for you, that's all, people, including many christians, just don't agree with you're authoritarian perspective any longer.

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    I'm guessing I missed nothing important there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    I'm guessing I missed nothing important there.
    You'd be right. Why do some people think it is impossible to disagree and still not be a jerk about it? Or maybe they think if someone disagrees with them, then that someone is a jerk for daring to disagree with them?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    I put JimL on ignore years ago after realizing he never says anything worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    You'd be right. Why do some people think it is impossible to disagree and still not be a jerk about it? Or maybe they think if someone disagrees with them, then that someone is a jerk for daring to disagree with them?
    Yeah, I don't know why you think that way either, why don't you tell me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
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    Yep, this threads a sleeper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    And you don't think you've been doing that all along? It's just not working for you, that's all, people, including many christians, just don't agree with you're authoritarian perspective any longer.
    ďYouíreĒ authoritarian perspective? There you go Making Atheism Great Again, Jim Trump. Covfefe!

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    I see he still lives in a delusional world where he thinks I see what he says.

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