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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    The pandemic isn't over.

    The need to encourage healthy habits isn't over.
    Lose weight, quit smoking, eat healthy, exercise. Easy peasy. You might get sick if you catch it, but you likely won't die.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Lose weight, quit smoking, eat healthy, exercise. Easy peasy.
    And maintain social distancing, reduce contacts, reduce the reproduction rate, R.

    You might get sick if you catch it, but you likely won't die.
    And if you don't get sick, you won't pass it on to those more likely to succumb.

    Like my brother, who's suffered from asthma and allergies his entire life ... or the marine's kid, who was born with situs inversus, and has been receiving respiratory therapy for 16 years now, since he was born. Feel free to share your medical advice with him, personally. His dad was in Beirut in 1983, suffers from PTSD, and is always heavily armed, but you likely won't die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    And maintain social distancing, reduce contacts, reduce the reproduction rate, R.



    And if you don't get sick, you won't pass it on to those more likely to succumb.

    Like my brother, who's suffered from asthma and allergies his entire life ... or the marine's kid, who was born with situs inversus, and has been receiving respiratory therapy for 16 years now, since he was born. Feel free to share your medical advice with him, personally. His dad was in Beirut in 1983, suffers from PTSD, and is always heavily armed, but you likely won't die.
    Edited by a Moderator the potential effect of them having the virus on others is never factored in. The only concern that is expressed is what might happen to them if they get it. There is little expression on this board of our responsibility to look after others, to not put others in harms way. I'm not sure how they think they have reconciled that with the Christian faith and message, but as far as I know, there is no legitimate way to do that.

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    Last edited by DesertBerean; 05-21-2020 at 10:00 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Edited by a Moderator the potential effect of them having the virus on others is never factored in. The only concern that is expressed is what might happen to them if they get it. There is little expression on this board of our responsibility to look after others, to not put others in harms way. I'm not sure how they think they have reconciled that with the Christian faith and message, but as far as I know, there is no legitimate way to do that.
    Lol....what? How many discussions on this board has been about all the precautions many of us have been implementing? Talk about a broad brush.

    Firstly, coming together as a group to worship is a protected right of any religion here in the United States.

    Secondly, in some places (looking at you, New York!), at least ONE religion (Islam) were being allowed to gather in worship while others (Jews and Christians) were not. (Edited: I'm finding out this isn't true anymore). In a LOT of places, including California, stores and eateries are allowed to stay open while churches can't, no matter what precautions we take just like the stores!

    Thirdly, churches DO cooperate with the shutdowns and reopening guidelines! My own denomination has a good history of cooperation with authorities starting with the Spanish flu. (We believe in divine protection and healing but we are not idiots. We cooperate with current knowledge of health and science!). But we Christians have a Biblical directive to gather. Some 500 pastors have sent notice to the Governor that on 31 May they will reopen with social distancing and restricting the number of people etc. May 31 is the date because it's Pentecost, the official anniversary of the birth of church through the Holy Spirit.

    I see a lot of people speaking against our efforts out of fear.
    Last edited by DesertBerean; 05-21-2020 at 09:59 AM.

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    Here's one church in Mississippi that is dealing with fear caused by confusion because their Governor said churches were essential but their city disagreed. The church is suing the city over this mess and some people decided destruction and intimidation was the answer.

    https://www.wlbt.com/2020/05/20/miss...at-home-order/

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Edited by a Moderator the potential effect of them having the virus on others is never factored in. The only concern that is expressed is what might happen to them if they get it. There is little expression on this board of our responsibility to look after others, to not put others in harms way. I'm not sure how they think they have reconciled that with the Christian faith and message, but as far as I know, there is no legitimate way to do that.
    Edited by a Moderator His name was not mentioned in the op or anywhere else in this thread until you, oxmixmudd, but of course, everything in the whole world that is not up to your standards is his fault.

    You switched awfully fast from telling DO not to be rude to basically agreeing with him. Nice.
    Last edited by DesertBerean; 05-21-2020 at 10:20 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...t-coronavirus/


    Churches in states at the forefront of reopening efforts are closing their doors for a second time.

    Catoosa Baptist Tabernacle in Ringgold, Ga., less than 20 miles away from Chattanooga, Tenn., and Holy Ghost Catholic Church in Houston have indefinitely suspended services after members and leaders tested positive for the coronavirus shortly after reopening.

    The news of the canceled services comes as a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that large gatherings pose risk for coronavirus transmission and called on faith-based organizations to work with local health officials about implementing guidelines for modified activities.

    The report looked at a rural Arkansas church, where a pastor and his wife attended church events in early March. At least 35 of 92 attendees tested positive for the coronavirus, and three people died. An additional 26 cases and a death occurred in the community from contact with the church cases, the report confirmed.


    Sounds like these closings were voluntary. We tried to protect you guys form yourselves but you needed your fix.
    2 whole churches? With 3 and 7 cases? Wow... Are you suggesting they caught it from attending services?


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    He simply can not help himself. His hatred is consuming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    And maintain social distancing, reduce contacts, reduce the reproduction rate, R.



    And if you don't get sick, you won't pass it on to those more likely to succumb.

    Like my brother, who's suffered from asthma and allergies his entire life ... or the marine's kid, who was born with situs inversus, and has been receiving respiratory therapy for 16 years now, since he was born. Feel free to share your medical advice with him, personally. His dad was in Beirut in 1983, suffers from PTSD, and is always heavily armed, but you likely won't die.
    Would they not have been susceptible to influenza viruses? What precautions were they taking to avoid those viruses before the great panic of 2020? I would presume the same precautions could have been followed, no?
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...t-coronavirus/


    Churches in states at the forefront of reopening efforts are closing their doors for a second time.

    Catoosa Baptist Tabernacle in Ringgold, Ga., less than 20 miles away from Chattanooga, Tenn., and Holy Ghost Catholic Church in Houston have indefinitely suspended services after members and leaders tested positive for the coronavirus shortly after reopening.

    The news of the canceled services comes as a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that large gatherings pose risk for coronavirus transmission and called on faith-based organizations to work with local health officials about implementing guidelines for modified activities.

    The report looked at a rural Arkansas church, where a pastor and his wife attended church events in early March. At least 35 of 92 attendees tested positive for the coronavirus, and three people died. An additional 26 cases and a death occurred in the community from contact with the church cases, the report confirmed.


    Sounds like these closings were voluntary. We tried to protect you guys form yourselves but you needed your fix.
    Tell that to the crowds at walmart.

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