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    The Presidentís Club

    This is a most interesting episode of the Lawfare podcast.

    There may not be many laws governing how former presidents should interact with the current commander-in-chief, or with each other, or how the sitting president should treat his or her predecessors. But over time, we have developed a body of norms about how to do so appropriately. Donald Trump has, to put it mildly, changed expectations about the relationships that presidents past and present have with each other. David Priess recently sat down in the virtual jungle studio to chat with Kate Andersen Brower, author of "Team of Five: The Presidents Club in the Age of Trump," in which she describes these dynamics among the few people to know what it is actually like to be president. They talked about her interview with Donald Trump to get at his feelings toward his predecessors, the unwritten rules of the Presidents Club and about what his post-presidency might look like.
    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...4-248ec9f658bf
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    Obama's letter (mentioned at the end of the podcast):
    Dear Mr. President -

    Congratulations on a remarkable run. Millions have placed their hopes in you, and all of us, regardless of party, should hope for expanded prosperity and security during your tenure.

    This is a unique office, without a clear blueprint for success, so I don't know that any advice from me will be particularly helpful. Still, let me offer a few reflections from the past 8 years.

    First, we've both been blessed, in different ways, with great good fortune. Not everyone is so lucky. It's up to us to do everything we can (to) build more ladders of success for every child and family that's willing to work hard.

    Second, American leadership in this world really is indispensable. It's up to us, through action and example, to sustain the international order that's expanded steadily since the end of the Cold War, and upon which our own wealth and safety depend.

    Third, we are just temporary occupants of this office. That makes us guardians of those democratic institutions and traditions -- like rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties -- that our forebears fought and bled for. Regardless of the push and pull of daily politics, it's up to us to leave those instruments of our democracy at least as strong as we found them.

    And finally, take time, in the rush of events and responsibilities, for friends and family. They'll get you through the inevitable rough patches.
    Michelle and I wish you and Melania the very best as you embark on this great adventure, and know that we stand ready to help in any ways which we can.

    Good luck and Godspeed,
    BO
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    ďYou can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.Ē ― Anne Lamott
    ďAnd if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existenceĒ ― Bertrand Russell

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Obama's letter (mentioned at the end of the podcast):
    Well, that goodwill didn't last long...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Well, that goodwill didn't last long...
    True, Trump has never returned it and likely never will. His goal is to make sure there is no Obama legacy.
    He will reply, ĎTruly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

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    Give me a break. Obama was openly critical of Bush and his policies to the point that "Blame Bush!" became a popular meme while Obama was in office. This whole idea that Trump is the first to ever break with presidential decorum is just another false liberal narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Give me a break. Obama was openly critical of Bush and his policies to the point that "Blame Bush!" became a popular meme while Obama was in office. This whole idea that Trump is the first to ever break with presidential decorum is just another false liberal narrative.
    that was effectively a mantra issuing from the White House for at least the first six years of his administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    that was effectively a mantra issuing from the White House for at least the first six years of his administration.
    But it's all Bush's fault! Really!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    that was effectively a mantra issuing from the White House for at least the first six years of his administration.
    Give us an example of Obama bashing Bush. No give us many examples, since Trump can't seem to get Obama out of his head.

    http://www.cnn.com/2019/11/04/politi...ama/index.html
    Last edited by JimL; 05-22-2020 at 11:38 PM.

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