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(Lighter thread): Who should re-open first, churches or AA meetings?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostTrump can't force churches to re-open, Sparko, nor can he tell Governors how to run the states. DO is right, it's red meat for his evangelical base, Trump couldn't care less, otherwise.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, as far as opening up again, they are not calling planned parenthood and liquer stores essential, each state is determining the opening procedure guidelines for themselves. It no longer has to do with what's essential. which included businesse's such as supermarkets, gas stations and banks etc. When it comes to re-opening it's left up to the states to decide what they want to do, or how they want to do it, and the states can't enforce churches to re-open any more than our wannabe King can..
The ones acting like dictators and wannabe kings are certain Governors who refuse to accept that the People have rights that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 05-22-2020, 03:58 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostTrump can't force churches to re-open, Sparko, nor can he tell Governors how to run the states. DO is right, it's red meat for his evangelical base, Trump couldn't care less, otherwise.
You are so funny. I think people are catching on to your humor. You endorse the Democrat governors who favor shutting down churches. This appeals to leftist revolutionists in a political sense. Then you call Trump's act to restore freedom as merely an unprincipled Trump appealing to the Christians -- when there are also Jews and Buddhists and other religious adherents who also may like to meet again.
Have you applied for the Babylon Bee yet?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI don't need to get that from anywhere, if a church wants to stay closed, that's nobody's business but the churches.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI don't need to get that from anywhere, if a church wants to stay closed, that's nobody's business but the churches.
Force
verb
2.
make (someone) do something against their will.
"she was forced into early retirement"
Allow
verb
1.
give (someone) permission to do something.
"the dissident was allowed to leave the country"Last edited by RumTumTugger; 05-22-2020, 04:28 PM.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Postno one is forcing or calling for anyone to be forced to open up JimL. We just want the Governors to stop infringing on our rights to worship. Just admit the Governors are wrong in not allowing places of worship to open and move on.
Force
verb
2.
make (someone) do something against their will.
"she was forced into early retirement"
Allow
verb
1.
give (someone) permission to do something.
"the dissident was allowed to leave the country"
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Postno one is forcing or calling for anyone to be forced to open up JimL. We just want the Governors to stop infringing on our rights to worship. Just admit the Governors are wrong in not allowing places of worship to open and move on.
Force
verb
2.
make (someone) do something against their will.
"she was forced into early retirement"
Allow
verb
1.
give (someone) permission to do something.
"the dissident was allowed to leave the country"
The President doesn't have the authority to overide Governors.Last edited by JimL; 05-22-2020, 05:13 PM.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostIsn't it a general prohibition against meeting in groups? How is that infringing on the right to worship in particular?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBecause there's actually a constitutional protection for religious groups, but not for baseball games or movie theaters.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostThe first amendment provides five rights
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Everybody likes to throw "the establishment clause" around, but ignore the "prohibition clause".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo why bold the part you want, and ignore the part I want? Let's try my version....
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Everybody likes to throw "the establishment clause" around, but ignore the "prohibition clause".
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThese are neutral bans, temporary bans on crowding, not the targeting of certain groups, churches etc while leaving other groups alone.
Churches are not exempt from state regulations that apply across the board, they just can't be targeted. There is case law for this, you can find it if interested. I'm to lazy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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