(Lighter thread): Who should re-open first, churches or AA meetings?

[shunyadragon]

Laughing... yeah, church without singing and prayer.... that's a riot. If there is proper social distancing, singing and prayer are no problem at all.

Actually no, In closed buildings like in a church with a circulating heat/air when there is singing and congregational prayer social distancing in the building has caused the spread of COVID 19 virus.

Singing and shouting in in door events has been shown to spread the virus beyond social distancing.

[JimL]

Actually no, In closed buildings like in a church with a circulating heat/air when there is singing and congregational prayer social distancing in the building has caused the spread of COVID 19 virus.

Singing and shouting in in door events has been shown to spread the virus beyond social distancing.

Many people, most I imagine, still have no idea how easily this virus is spread. One of the churches that decided to reopen recently had to close down again when 8 people in the church were infected, 3 of whom i believe died, including the priest himself.

[shunyadragon]

Many people, most I imagine, still have no idea how easily this virus is spread. One of the churches that decided to reopen recently had to close down again when 8 people in the church were infected, 3 of whom i believe died, including the priest himself.

Actually there are a number of well documented examples:

(1) A choir practice resulted in Mount Vernon, Washington resulted 52 cases, and at least two deaths: https://www.livescience.com/covid-19...r-singing.html

(2) Church service in Frankfort, Germany results in 40 infections: https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pan...church-service

(3) California church services linked to COVID 19 spread:https://www.latimes.com/california/s...hurch-services.

At present no new cases of COVID 199 have been attributed to AA meetings.

The documentation at present links: church services, parties, bars and pubs, large meetings, extended care institution staff, hospital staff, beauty parlors and barber shops, celebrations in crowds, and sporting events have spread COVD 19, and the victims took the virus home and elsewhere. There are of course other crowded indoor activities that are known to spread the COVID 19.

[JimL]

Actually there are a number of well documented examples:

(1) A choir practice resulted in Mount Vernon, Washington resulted 52 cases, and at least two deaths: https://www.livescience.com/covid-19...r-singing.html

(2) Church service in Frankfort, Germany results in 40 infections: https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pan...church-service

(3) California church services linked to COVID 19 spread:https://www.latimes.com/california/s...hurch-services.

At present no new cases of COVID 199 have been attributed to AA meetings.

I know. Why they would even want to risk the safety of the congregants is beyond me.

[Cow Poke]

Actually there are a number of well documented examples:

(1) A choir practice resulted in Mount Vernon, Washington resulted 52 cases, and at least two deaths: https://www.livescience.com/covid-19...r-singing.html

(2) Church service in Frankfort, Germany results in 40 infections: https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pan...church-service

(3) California church services linked to COVID 19 spread:https://www.latimes.com/california/s...hurch-services.

At present no new cases of COVID 199 have been attributed to AA meetings.

The documentation at present links: church services, parties, bars and pubs, large meetings, extended care institution staff, hospital staff, beauty parlors and barber shops, celebrations in crowds, and sporting events have spread COVD 19, and the victims took the virus home and elsewhere. There are of course other crowded indoor activities that are known to spread the COVID 19.

Wow, so let's ban CHURCH SERVICES because there are three examples of problems, and somehow, you know that these were because of "singing and 'congregational prayer'".

And those of us who are practicing proper protocols including social distancing and masks and hand sanitizers are FAR more dangerous than people in line at Walmart, Home Depot and Kroger.

More nutjob anti-Christian bigotry on parade.

[Cow Poke]

Actually there are a number of well documented examples:

(1) A choir practice resulted in Mount Vernon, Washington resulted 52 cases, and at least two deaths: https://www.livescience.com/covid-19...r-singing.html

(2) Church service in Frankfort, Germany results in 40 infections: https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pan...church-service

(3) California church services linked to COVID 19 spread:https://www.latimes.com/california/s...hurch-services.

At present no new cases of COVID 199 have been attributed to AA meetings.

The documentation at present links: church services, parties, bars and pubs, large meetings, extended care institution staff, hospital staff, beauty parlors and barber shops, celebrations in crowds, and sporting events have spread COVD 19, and the victims took the virus home and elsewhere. There are of course other crowded indoor activities that are known to spread the COVID 19.

WOW.... checking out your links --- particularly the one in Germany....

FRANKFURT, GERMANY - More than 40 people have tested positive for the novel coronavirus following a church service in Frankfurt, Germany’s financial center, earlier this month, the head of the city’s health department told a news agency Saturday.

“Most of them are not seriously ill. As far as we know only one person has been admitted to hospital,” Rene Gottschalk told the dpa agency.....

Yes, by ALL MEANS, let's ban church services worldwide!!!! Why is it that inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out?

[shunyadragon]

WOW.... checking out your links --- particularly the one in Germany....

FRANKFURT, GERMANY - More than 40 people have tested positive for the novel coronavirus following a church service in Frankfurt, Germany’s financial center, earlier this month, the head of the city’s health department told a news agency Saturday.

“Most of them are not seriously ill. As far as we know only one person has been admitted to hospital,” Rene Gottschalk told the dpa agency.....

Yes, by ALL MEANS, let's ban church services worldwide!!!! Why is it that inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out?

This is not a question of banning all church services. These are only easily found documented examples. I can provide many more.

Though in Frankfort, Germany it is an example that 39 people were not very ill and are the carriers that spread the COVID 19 home and elsewhere.

[Cow Poke]

This is not a question of banning all church services.

Good, because that's akin to the the moron claim JimL was making.

These are only easily found documented examples. I can provide many more.

So, you're thinking that the Covid virus was BORN right there in those churches, Shuny? Whoever was there got it somewhere, but your narrative requires that everybody else got it from him at that church.

Though in Frankfort, Germany it is an example that 39 people were not very ill and are the carriers that spread the COVID 19 home and elsewhere.

Because those people could not have POSSIBLY gotten it anywhere else.

[shunyadragon]

Good, because that's akin to the the moron claim JimL was making.



So, you're thinking that the Covid virus was BORN right there in those churches, Shuny? Whoever was there got it somewhere, but your narrative requires that everybody else got it from him at that church.



Because those people could not have POSSIBLY gotten it anywhere else.

Miss quoting me and misrepresenting me gets you nowhere except dodging with a incoherent response.

Your neglected the documented fact that church services are a major source for spreading COVID 19.

[Cow Poke]

Miss quoting me and misrepresenting me gets you nowhere except dodging with a incoherent response.

I apologize that you're incapable of comprehending, Shuny. I'll try to make things much simpler in the future.

Your neglected the documented fact that church services are a major source for spreading COVID 19.

In a FEW CASES, and you'll scour the earth to find anything else to blame the church. I will leave you your anti-Christian bigotry.

[shunyadragon]

I apologize that you're incapable of comprehending, Shuny. I'll try to make things much simpler in the future.

Simplisty does not help your emotional, incoherent name calling response.

In a FEW CASES, and you'll scour the earth to find anything else to blame the church. I will leave you your anti-Christian bigotry.

I can document many more, and no this has nothing to do whether it is Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu or whatever. Baha'i

centers and National temples are closed, and online activities are the norm now.

Still no coherent response.

[Cow Poke]

Simplisty does not help your emotional, incoherent name calling response.

Says they guy who's so quick to call people racists, and say stupid things like "you ought to be a lawyer for ENRON".

Why are you liberals such flaming hypocrites?

Still no coherent response.

Well, keep trying, maybe you'll be able to come up with one.

[shunyadragon]

Says they guy who's so quick to call people racists, and say stupid things like "you ought to be a lawyer for ENRON".

Why are you liberals such flaming hypocrites?

Your history justifies the designation.

Well, keep trying, maybe you'll be able to come up with one.

No need to keep trying the facts speak for themselves.

[Cow Poke]

Your history justifies the designation.

"my history" You are delusional, Shuny!

No need to keep trying the facts speak for themselves.

You appear to be totally ignorant of the difference between fact, opinion, and speculation. It's all ya got!

[shunyadragon]

Says they guy who's so quick to call people racists, and say stupid things like "you ought to be a lawyer for ENRON".

Why are you liberals such flaming hypocrites?

Your accusations of stereotyping follow . . .

Nothing new.

Well, keep trying, maybe you'll be able to come up with one.

Still waiting for one from you. I cited sources. You have cited nothing, but Duck, Bob and Weave.