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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    huh. I guess I learned something.

    You must have the gift of teaching!
    I've been told that a bunch.

    Seriously, I think that, too many times, we confuse the intention or meaning of the gift mentioned in the Bible with whatever we think is the Western equivalent.
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    Another thing about teaching.

    I've often said, "if people are not learning, then you're not teaching - you're talking".
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It certainly can be!

    On the other hand, just "knowing stuff" and disseminating it isn't necessarily a spiritual gift. Like a history teacher who just seems to be in "auto pilot" mode, droning on about dates and names and facts... I don't think that's a gift at all. Now, being able to make the student WANT to learn those dates and names and facts -- that may be a horse of a different color!
    What do YOU know about my teachings skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    What do YOU know about my teachings skills?
    Probably about as much as I know about women's fashion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Another thing about teaching.

    I've often said, "if people are not learning, then you're not teaching - you're talking".
    Really?

    Have you ever tried to teach a Jew that Jesus is the Messiah using Scriptures only to have them say you are misinterpreting Scriptures?

    Have you ever tried to teach a Muslim that Jesus claimed to be divine, only to have them say Jesus didn't say that; the writers put those words in Jesus mouth and you can't believe the New Testament because it is corrupted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Really?

    Have you ever tried to teach a Jew that Jesus is the Messiah using Scriptures only to have them say you are misinterpreting Scriptures?

    Have you ever tried to teach a Muslim that Jesus claimed to be divine, only to have them say Jesus didn't say that; the writers put those words in Jesus mouth and you can't believe the New Testament because it is corrupted?
    I don't think the gift of teaching is necessarily meant to be directed towards those outside of the faith. Teaching is of no use to those who have their eyes closed to the truth. Or as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:


    Scripture Verse: 1 Cor 2:14-16 ESV


    14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    I don't think the gift of teaching is necessarily meant to be directed towards those outside of the faith. Teaching is of no use to those who have their eyes closed to the truth. Or as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:


    Scripture Verse: 1 Cor 2:14-16 ESV


    14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

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    I think it is meant to be directed to both, those inside the faith and those outside.

    Didn't Jesus say to preach the Gospel to ALL nations.

    Paul also said in Romans 10: 14 But how can they call on Him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about Him? And how can they hear without a preacher? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who announce the gospel of good things! 16 But all did not obey the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message? 17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ.

    I agree that there are those who will never belief and we can't reach them.

    My best friend is a non-believer and he always finds an excuse not to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Do you know what yours is?
    Do you believe every Christian has a spiritual gift?
    Do you believe these gifts are assigned by the Spirit, and not ours to "claim"?
    Do you allow your spiritual gift to be used to the benefit of the Body?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke
    AND....
    do you think you can have more than one spiritual gift, and do you think your spiritual gift(s) can change over time?
    Yes
    Yes
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    Yes, and I think it's possible. Gifts develop and mature with use, experience and I think the maturity of the gift-user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Do you know what yours is?
    Do you believe every Christian has a spiritual gift?
    Do you believe these gifts are assigned by the Spirit, and not ours to "claim"?
    Do you allow your spiritual gift to be used to the benefit of the Body?
    Regarding the last question, the answer is maybe.

    Within the church, I've had a real mixed experience. In some churches, I've been able to serve the Body with the gifts I have. In other churches, they seem to have an agenda and want me in a certain slot regardless of my gifting. I've gotten "God gives strength in weakness" in those churches.

    I don't do a lot outside of the church body which is probably a shame on me. Yet I seem to really want to serve in a church body under the guidance and assistance of the pastor and elders. Doesn't happen very much.
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    Regarding the last question, the answer is maybe.

    Within the church, I've had a real mixed experience. In some churches, I've been able to serve the Body with the gifts I have. In other churches, they seem to have an agenda and want me in a certain slot regardless of my gifting. I've gotten "God gives strength in weakness" in those churches.
    Good point.... there are times when, absent a person with the applicable gifting, I ask somebody to "fill in", but I'd much rather they volunteer. Amazingly, sometimes that "volunteer" discovers that they are far more suited for the task than they had ever imagined.

    I don't do a lot outside of the church body which is probably a shame on me. Yet I seem to really want to serve in a church body under the guidance and assistance of the pastor and elders. Doesn't happen very much.
    I think, in many cases, it's laziness on the Church --- to get to know new people and discover their gifts, talents and abilities. OR, in some cases, it's a "us 4 and no more" mentality, where they're afraid of giving up 'control' or something.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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