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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You are expecting the platform to know everything posted on their platform and completely understand whether or not it is true and if it is defaming someone, etc. That's an impossible task.

    If you post something defamatory about a colleague on facebook, how is facebook supposed to know who you are, or your colleague or the circumstances of the situation you are posting about, if it is true or not, etc?

    It's a pretty deep rabbit hole to start checking every post for whether it is true, or defamatory. I think Trump is saying what you do: That if they DO claim to know and start interfering with posts to the point they are judging whether they are factual or defamatory, etc, then they ARE responsible and become a publisher.

    That's why it is better NOT to take such a stance. Better to just moderate specific terms and conditions, like profanity, violence, obvious criminal activity and so on. Then you can't be held responsible.
    Not only that, but each time you say "facebook" or "the platform" above, you're actually talking about an employee who may well have their OWN axe to grind, or prejudices, or agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You are expecting the platform to know everything posted on their platform and completely understand whether or not it is true and if it is defaming someone, etc. That's an impossible task.
    Not true. Read more carefully. I said x days to respond once notified of a problem. They aren't responsible till they are notified. Then they must respond based on the popularity (a rough measure of impact) of the potential misinformation/libel etc.

    If you post something defamatory about a colleague on facebook, how is facebook supposed to know who you are, or your colleague or the circumstances of the situation you are posting about, if it is true or not, etc?

    It's a pretty deep rabbit hole to start checking every post for whether it is true, or defamatory. I think Trump is saying what you do: That if they DO claim to know and start interfering with posts to the point they are judging whether they are factual or defamatory, etc, then they ARE responsible and become a publisher.

    That's why it is better NOT to take such a stance. Better to just moderate specific terms and conditions, like profanity, violence, obvious criminal activity and so on. Then you can't be held responsible.
    How can I get you to actually read what I'm posting Sparko? Did you see these words:

    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd
    But what about if they do know exactly what was published, exactly how wrong it is, but they look the other way and allow it to persist - even though they know it is wrong, even though they know it is libel.
    Your response seems to imply you didn't, because I'm talking about that set of posts that they do know about, and you are talking about every post everywhere which we would both agree is impossible to fully police.

    So I'm talking about when they DO know what is there and then ignore it, when they do know it has a large potential impact. And I'm talking about a way to help bring issues to light that are problems, recognizing the limited capacity to address it all or know everything that is there, but making them legally liable to respond when notified based on the potential impact of the misinformation. If I post something that libels you, but 3 people look at it over a week - you can take that up with those people directly and sue me if you like. But if Trump implicates a senator in a murder that is known to be false with millions of views and shares, the damage there is huge and if the owners of the website know about it and do nothing, they are complicit. So there needs to be something in between no responsibility and absolute responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Not true. Read more carefully. I said x days to respond once notified of a problem. They aren't responsible till they are notified. Then they must respond based on the popularity (a rough measure of impact) of the potential misinformation/libel etc.
    Again, how are they to judge what is libel or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I trust them because their stories withstand scrutiny.
    Then you probably don't actually read Breitbart too much:

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/stat...69781027373056

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Again, how are they to judge what is libel or not?

    "Dear Facebook, Fred is defaming me by saying I am selling stolen merchandise out of my basement. Please ban him, thanks"

    The case against libel with respect to Trumps tweeted insinuations of murder against Scarborough have already been investigated and it is known what happened. It's on camara. The lady in question had a heart condition, complained to her fellow employees earlier in the day that she wasn't feeling well, and later in the day fainted and hit her head on the furniture. Scarborough was actually a thousand miles away at the time. That's how they judge whether it's libel or not, the facts are well known.

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    Why are we even discussing it anymore? Isn't it clear to everyone, on both sides, that Trump stuck his foot in his mouth and that's that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    Then you probably don't actually read Breitbart too much:

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/stat...69781027373056
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Whatever, man.
    He needs to change his name to ThatsTheTruthMan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I trust them because their stories withstand scrutiny.
    Then you probably don't actually read Breitbart too much:

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/stat...69781027373056
    Whatever, man.
    So, you claim you read Breitbart because their stories withstand scrutiny, but then refuse to scrutinize stories of theirs which appear patently stupid?

    I hope you realize that this doesn't paint your intellectual integrity in a particularly good light.

    Read whatever you want, but if you meant what you said about Breitbart, then you'll care about stories of their which don't even stand up to casual scrutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    So, you claim you read Breitbart because their stories withstand scrutiny, but then refuse to scrutinize stories of theirs which appear patently stupid?

    I hope you realize that this doesn't paint your intellectual integrity in a particularly good light.

    Read whatever you want, but if you meant what you said about Breitbart, then you'll care about stories of their which don't even stand up to casual scrutiny.
    I'm not sure how showing images of deliberately provocative headlines proves your point.
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