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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I just heard about Silicon Valley billionaires planning a big campaign to use their technology to get Biden (haha. that's right. Biden) elected.

    It sounds like this is pitting high-powered socialist billionaires against a freedom-promoting campaign by Trump.
    Umm...no. I don't know what the "silicon valley billionaires" are doing, but they have as much right to promote their chosen candidate as anyone else. If they set off on a disinformation campaign, however, they will be just as culpable as the Trump campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    They see him as their route to power. They realize that he'll be nothing but a figurehead and hope to help control his Administration and gain the power they could never be elected to.
    I hate to break it to you, but billionaires already have substantial power - including over the current administration and the current Congress. Money = power. And, since Citizen's United, Money = Speech. Not much we can do about either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Umm...no. I don't know what the "silicon valley billionaires" are doing, but they have as much right to promote their chosen candidate as anyone else. If they set off on a disinformation campaign, however, they will be just as culpable as the Trump campaign.
    Oh. Most certainly they shall meet all the fact-checker analysis. Their employees are the fact-checkers.

    Since when are you expecting the media to provide anything beyond disinformation? Do you remember the media-lies thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    This article is a must read for anyone seeking to stop Trump from securing office a second time. It is about the billion dollar campaign being waged to spread disinformation. This is a campaign being waged by the Trump campaign to "flood the zone" with disinformation and continue the erosion of the media that Trump has been engaged in since he first announced his candidacy.
    Reading the article..

    The president’s reelection campaign was then in the midst of a multimillion-dollar ad blitz aimed at shaping Americans’ understanding of the recently launched impeachment proceedings. Thousands of micro-targeted ads had flooded the internet, portraying Trump as a heroic reformer cracking down on foreign corruption while Democrats plotted a coup. That this narrative bore little resemblance to reality seemed only to accelerate its spread. Right-wing websites amplified every claim. Pro-Trump forums teemed with conspiracy theories. An alternate information ecosystem was taking shape around the biggest news story in the country, and I wanted to see it from the inside.

    The story that unfurled in my Facebook feed over the next several weeks was, at times, disorienting. There were days when I would watch, live on TV, an impeachment hearing filled with damning testimony about the president’s conduct, only to look at my phone later and find a slickly edited video—served up by the Trump campaign—that used out-of-context clips to recast the same testimony as an exoneration. Wait, I caught myself wondering more than once, is that what happened today?

    There's a lot of begging the question here. It's assumed that one narrative (that the impeachment hearings were a Democrat / corrupt official hatchet job etc) is correct, and the other narrative (Trump literally Hitler etc) is false. Assumed, but not argued.

    One could respond that what was really happening to the writer is that they were hearing the truth at last, and this was what was discombobulating them, as they left their left-wing media bubble.

    One could also respond that the article is merely a whine that Trump and his supporters are putting their arguments and opinions out there, and that's bad, because he's bad and evil. But to complain about that is undemocratic and unfair. And disrespectful to the public, who are capable (or should be in a democracy) of making their own minds up, either way.

    In short, the article reads like someone who is upset that Trump et al dare play the same game the left media and the Democrats have been playing for quite some time. Well, boo hoo. Turn about is fair play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    None of which actually happened. The dossier is not "fake," it has sections that are not confirmed and sections that are.


    They presented it as a legitimate intelligence analysis when it was bought and paid for smear campaign by the DNC/Clinton campaign (which as Donna Brazile admitted were one and the same at the time)

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    It was not handed over to "corrupt officials;" it was handed over to the FBI leadership
    Who have been exposed as having been corrupt

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    and was one of several elements used to legally secure FISA warrants.
    Which they leaked to the press and then claimed the news stories based on those leaks were "independent confirmation" of the dossier's claims.

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    Some of the process steps were not followed as closely as they should have been, and that was caught and addressed.
    An understatement if there ever was one.

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    Umm...he actually fired Comey himself - or did you forget that?
    After being urged by Rosenstein to do so, who then immediately turned around and used the firing to rationalize ramping up the investigation.

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    And Comey's violations of process mostly came after he was fired.
    A tacit admission that he was corrupt

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    And yes - Trump brought it on himself.
    Of course. He kept the queen from being coronated and that is unforgivable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Trump fired Comey due to the Russia investigation and then admitted that that was the reason to Lester Holt. Have you forgotten that? Was he lying when he said that was the reason?
    Trump also admitted it to his Russian allies, Lavrov and Kislyak in the oval office just after the firing of Comey. He told them with a big smile on his face how he had just gotten rid of their mutual enemy, Comey, and that now he had, so he thought, that Russia pressure of his back. You have to give it to him though, to him and the Russians, taking democracy and the country down from the inside. Who would have ever thought though that Americans would assist them in that undertaking? Not me, never in my life did I ever imagine Americans could do that. They never could have done it without the help of American citizens.. There not quite there yet though, but they're getting close. The bigger shame of it is though, is that I don't believe that the Reublicans/conservatives supporting the Trump/Putin efforts could possibly be blind to what they are up to.

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    "Disinformation campaign" ... I believe liberals refer to that as "speaking truth to power".
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Reading the article..

    There's a lot of begging the question here. It's assumed that one narrative (that the impeachment hearings were a Democrat / corrupt official hatchet job etc) is correct, and the other narrative (Trump literally Hitler etc) is false. Assumed, but not argued.
    You know, I've been through that article several times now. The word "Hitler" does not occur even once - so "literally Hitler" does not appear to me part of the argument. I also don't find the first "narrative" represented as you wrote it here.

    The article does nothing more than relate a distinction between the events that were unfolding for anyone who was actually watching the hearings, and the way those events were portrayed by the Trump campaign through what I have called the "MountainMan Standard Operating Procedure:" Harvest select soundbites, sentences, and even parts of sentences to paint the desired portrait. Both sides do this to some degree - but Trump's campaign has turned it into an art and stepped up the frequency and distribution vectors.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    One could respond that what was really happening to the writer is that they were hearing the truth at last, and this was what was discombobulating them, as they left their left-wing media bubble.
    I've actually gone back to look at some of the videos, and I suggest you seek them out as well. He's right. They are artfully edited videos that take entire sentences out of context to make them appear to say, in some cases, the opposite of what the person speaking was actually trying to put forward. It is hard to see how this could be "hearing the truth at last."

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    One could also respond that the article is merely a whine that Trump and his supporters are putting their arguments and opinions out there, and that's bad, because he's bad and evil. But to complain about that is undemocratic and unfair. And disrespectful to the public, who are capable (or should be in a democracy) of making their own minds up, either way.
    Everyone has a right to put their argument out there. But when that argument is blatant disinformation, it needs to be called out. We are beyond 1984 here, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    In short, the article reads like someone who is upset that Trump et al dare play the same game the left media and the Democrats have been playing for quite some time. Well, boo hoo. Turn about is fair play.
    While I agree that both sides will "spin" and have done it from the dawn of politics - what is happening here is different in degree and breadth. Trump believes (according to his own book) that truth is irrelevant - the only thing that is relevant is what people accept as truth, and that constantly repeating a false narrative will cause it to be accepted as truth by the general populace. That is the philosophy of a con man, and Trump has now successfully conned about 93% of the Republican Party. Unfortunately, one of the more difficult things to do is to convince a "mark" that they have been conned. Accepting that one has been conned is humiliating for most people, so they resist accepting it.

    Ultimately, I think that will likely be the undoing of the Republican Party.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post


    They presented it as a legitimate intelligence analysis when it was bought and paid for smear campaign by the DNC/Clinton campaign (which as Donna Brazile admitted were one and the same at the time)
    Actually - the source of the Dossier was opposition research funded by Republicans during the primaries. When it was clear that Trump would become the nominee, the company that did the research believed the information was important enough to get to the Democrats, and they set out to do so. Both parties contributed funding to its enactment and contents. Then it was turned over to McCain who decided it needed to go to the FBI for investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Who have been exposed as having been corrupt
    No - they've been smeared as being corrupt - widely and repeatedly - in the right wing media. Every IG investigation has shown no corruption, though there were some process approaches that were not faithfully executed. Again - this POV of yours is largely the results of a well-executed smear campaign that you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Which they leaked to the press and then claimed the news stories based on those leaks were "independent confirmation" of the dossier's claims.
    Actually - it is widely known that the dossier was leaked by David Kramer - a McCain aid. It was not leaked by the FBI.

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    An understatement if there ever was one.
    No - an accurate description of the facts, as per several IG investigations.

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    After being urged by Rosenstein to do so, who then immediately turned around and used the firing to rationalize ramping up the investigation.
    If you recall the actual facts - Trump demanded a letter from the DOJ recommending firing Comey, which they produced. It was not a "spontaneous" recommendation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    A tacit admission that he was corrupt
    Or that he felt he was no longer bound by the rules of a position he did not hold, and the corruption in the Executive Branch needed to be exposed. I'm also sure that no motive is pure and his opportunity to write his book probably factored in. I doubt Comey pure of motive - despite his pretty solid reputation as a straight shooter, demonstrated willingness to put himself and his career in harm's way, and broad popularity within the FBI rank and file.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Of course. He kept the queen from being coronated and that is unforgivable.
    I have no idea what that means
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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