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Riots over cop killing a man begging for his life
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI’m speechless.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThe examiner's preliminary report says he was "likely" killed by a combination of factors including the officer's actions. The Fox News reporter in the clip the twitterati linked to said he was "maybe" killed that way. I don't know about you but "likely" and "maybe" are close enough considering it's still early in the investigation. So don't get mad at the Fox News reporter for accurately reporting the facts because you got emotionally manipulated by social media.
To even try to deflect guilt from this officer at this time is disgusting. The problem right now is that if you and the people at fox dont wake up and stop thinking like this, stop trying to deny the problem, stop being taken in by racist thinking, this is going to get worse.
We need to, as a country, take action to remove the disparities that exist been life as a black person and life asca white person in this country. And we need to stop tolerating in any form racist thinking. Not with laws. Laws cant change how people think. We need to stop it ourselves everywhere it happens.
And that can start here on this site with people like you and me.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhat I find especially curious about this from a social perspective is that both blacks and whites are rioting together. I remember during the LA riots of the 90s, blacks were attacking anyone not black. I'm not sure what that means, but it seems to enforce my belief that this is overlapping economic pent-up rage.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-30-2020, 07:42 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThere is a lot of pent up aggravation involved and being expressed. Not just any alleged grievances but the stress of being cooed up for months -- and Minnesota has some of the stricter enforced quarantine rules in place FWIU.
Saaaaaay, where is the outrage over all this blatant disregard for lack of social distancing? Are these rioters trying to kill gramma?
I was wondering the same thing about the "social distancing" - Is DivineOb as incensed by this blatant disregard of COVID precautions as he was about people going to church?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIT would have to be something incredibly... I can't even imagine any scenario which would have justified this.
The usual excuse is that adrenaline gets pumping and can't be turned off -- but there wasn't even that big of a fight, and EIGHT MINUTES.... while the other officers stood by offering ZERO intervention...Last edited by Sparko; 05-30-2020, 08:29 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOnce they had him on the ground the four officers should have been able to get him into the car, especially after the guy begged them to let him up and said he wouldn't resist any more. At that point the action became vindictive and inhumane. The officer holding him down, even had his hand in is pocket! He was enjoying what he was doing. He wasn't doing his job at that point.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou should not be going here. It just doesnt matter if the stress of having the officers knee on his neck and.being unable to breathe caused a heart attack or whether he died due to lack of oxygen, the officers actions and indifference to his distress killed him.
To even try to deflect guilt from this officer at this time is disgusting. The problem right now is that if you and the people at fox dont wake up and stop thinking like this, stop trying to deny the problem, stop being taken in by racist thinking, this is going to get worse.
We need to, as a country, take action to remove the disparities that exist been life as a black person and life asca white person in this country. And we need to stop tolerating in any form racist thinking. Not with laws. Laws cant change how people think. We need to stop it ourselves everywhere it happens.
And that can start here on this site with people like you and me.
And I would ask that you stop implying I'm a racist, Ox. I'm serious.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostShe was reporting the facts as they were given to us. She was being accurate and responsible without jumping to rash or emotional conclusions, unlike the sleuths on social media. The latter always leads to dangerous outcomes, whether they're right about the facts or not (typically not).
And I would ask that you stop implying I'm a racist, Ox. I'm serious.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostShe was reporting what she was told, not necessarily the facts. The facts are right in front of your face. Whether Floyd had underlying conditions is irrelevant. Handcuffiffing someone, putting them on their stomach and kneeling on their neck and back for nearly 9 minutes, nearly 3 minutes of which when he was already unconscious, is murder whether one had underlying conditions or not. If they did that to a 80 year old grandma, they wouldn't be making that argument.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThe examiner's preliminary report says he was "likely" killed by a combination of factors including the officer's actions. The Fox News reporter in the clip the twitterati linked to said he was "maybe" killed that way. I don't know about you but "likely" and "maybe" are close enough considering it's still early in the investigation. So don't get mad at the Fox News reporter for accurately reporting the facts because you got emotionally manipulated by social media.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt's 3rd degree murder which is AFAICT like manslaughter
2nd degree includes intent
Those elements would be difficult to prove.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWe have first, second and third degree murder. Third of course is the lesser charge. First degree would be premeditaded, second degree would be not premeditated, but the intent was there, and third degree basically means that it wasn't premeditated, and that you didn't necessarily intend to kill the person. Third degree still carries a stiff sentence though, I believe it's about 20-25 years.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWe have first, second and third degree murder. Third of course is the lesser charge. First degree would be premeditaded, second degree would be not premeditated, but the intent was there, and third degree basically means that it wasn't premeditated, and that you didn't necessarily intend to kill the person. Third degree still carries a stiff sentence though, I believe it's about 20-25 years.
If there is discovered any reason to think this WAS premeditated - even in the sense that "I'll get that !$@#^@$ later!" for something that happened between them in the past - the charge can certainly be upgraded. Hence, ongoing investigation.
ALSO - I've seen some people - even commentators - speculating about the fact that the victim was not dead til he got to the hospital ---- that's based on the fact that he was not PRONOUNCED dead until a medical doctor received the body -- it is not unusual at all for there to be a dead body that, because police officers are not authorized to declare time of death, the body is "declare dead" after the fact.Last edited by Cow Poke; 05-30-2020, 01:23 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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