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Originally posted by seanD View PostThey aren't all antifa, they're a variety of folks, but there are antifa members in the protests. It's a whole lot more accurate than the Minnesota governor claiming they're white supremacists and cartels.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, is it your belief that most of the rioting - the looting and the damage - is done by locals?
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhy shouldn't I unless I have evidence to the contrary? The riots were scattered across the country. Did some organization mobilize that fast around every major city in the country?
Similar with rioters. They want to fight someone/anyone and they can more easily find a target in a riot. IMO.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostAgreed. They're mostly opportunists who find safety in numbers. If 10 people storm a store and start looting, then 100 opportunists charge in behind them. The door is open, they know cops can't arrest them all. "Free stuff, wheeee!"
Similar with rioters. They want to fight someone/anyone and they can more easily find a target in a riot. IMO.
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I just hate that the liberal media and government morons fuel the fire by their cowardly statements like - well, we totally understand why they would act that way - gosh, they've been oppressed for 400 years, so you have to give them space....
A) It's like you're assuming that these people aren't smart enough to be appealed to
2) They're encouraging some who might not otherwise cross the line.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI just hate that the liberal media and government morons fuel the fire by their cowardly statements like - well, we totally understand why they would act that way - gosh, they've been oppressed for 400 years, so you have to give them space....
A) It's like you're assuming that these people aren't smart enough to be appealed to
2) They're encouraging some who might not otherwise cross the line.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSocial media. That is how the extremist groups mobilize around the country. This isn't about the legitimate protesters, it's about the extremist groups infiltrating them for there own nefarious purposes.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostYour first two sentences is exactly what I meant. Locals in different cities around the country are using social media as a central location to mobilize in their areas. That doesn't mean they're traveling all around the country from city to city staging protests. And I'm not sure why you keep harping on "extremists." Police shootings aren't a conservative issue, but a leftwing issue, so if there are any extremists, they're leftist extremists (antifa). But there are a whole variety of peeps. There are those who want to just loot. There are those who want to advocate extreme anti-government views. There are those who want to commit violent acts just for the heck of it. And there are those that want to legitimately protest an unjust police killing.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostAbsolutely delicious.
Btw, LA right now is a wreck. Pockets of riots and looting spread all over the city. Apparently Garcetti is calling in the national guard because LAPD is overwhelmed.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNo, no, no. Just, no.
There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for looting and burning down the businesses of innocent people (most of whom are also minorities[1]) just because you're pissed off at something the government did.
The fact is that with very few exceptions protests organized by the left almost inevitably turn into riots whereas those organized by the right very rarely if ever do so. Of course there are the few exceptions.
For example, just look at the difference between rallies that were organized by the Tea Party compared to those organized by Occupy.
The former were (and still are) vilified by the MSM as a bunch of wild-eyed, crazy radicals even though they were forced to wander around the perimeter hunting for some loon that they could portray as exemplifying the average Tea Party member, whereas the latter were described as "typical Americans" even though the violent nut jobs were more often than not those in charge and up on the podium giving speeches.
Often, when a Tea Party rally was over those in charge of the area where it was held (typically a park) would remark about how the participants tended to leave the area cleaner than how they found it. They made sure they cleaned up their trash and picked up any more that they came across. In stark contrast, the Occupy trashed buildings, burned cars, and left excrement and garbage everywhere.
For a more recent example, compare those where folks were protesting the extremely restrict of policies of the continued lockdown with the rioting we've seen in response to the senseless killing of Floyd. In the former case, where the protests were largely very peaceful, the MSM smeared the participants as "threatening" and called "racists" and compared to Nazis (just like the Tea Party was). Some in the media were even calling for them to be rounded up and arrested (like the Today show co-host Craig Melvin).
In sharp contrast, the MSM is bending over backwards trying to minimize the violence and destruction during the riots over Floyd's death. No better example of this can be provided than senior economic correspondent for NBC, Ali Velshi, declaring on MSNBC while he is standing in front of a freaking building that was set afire, that "I want to be clear on how I characterize this. This is mostly a protest. It is not generally speaking unruly."
Looks like someone is auditioning for the role of being the new Baghdad Bob.
And just to demonstrate that the above was not some bizarre outlier, on CNN, a senior writer for Sports Illustrated, L.Z. Granderson, was calling the rioting, arson and looting as patriotic proclaiming that is how America has always got things "done."
Finally, excusing this sort of behavior is an example of soft racism like where someone (typically a white liberal) says that they and their associates would never behave in such a manner but seek to rationalize allowing minorities to respond this way since, obviously, they're different and shouldn't be expected to control themselves. They just can't be held to the same standard. B.S.
1. Even the race pimp Al Sharpton has, after several decades of foisting that sort of response, has finally understood this. On Friday morning on MSNBC's Morning Joe Sharpton complained to the rioters that the goal of a fair criminal justice system wouldn't be achieved by "appearing" to be criminal themselves and then added "some of the stores that are being damaged are black-owned stores! So we cannot become so reckless that we are destroying each other in our rage."
disclaimer:"you" is a general term referring to anyone who does this nonsense, not any particular user here.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah. I can understand being angry. Heck, I can even understand taking that anger out on police officers and precincts or government buildings. I don't agree with it or think it is right, but I can understand. But there is NO excuse for destroying private property and looting. That is just opportunism, vandalism, and theft. It does NOTHING to further your cause, and even turns the public and community against you. You re harming your own neighbors.
disclaimer:"you" is a general term referring to anyone who does this nonsense, not any particular user here.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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