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  • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
    I'm guessing they haven't burned or looted anything.
    I'd definitely be surprised if the amish did that. I was just glad to see some conservatives there.

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    • There are at least one protest at Victorville, about 30 miles from here. And now there are rumors about the Walmarts in the High Desert targeted for looting tonight. We have a Super one here in my end of town.

      Edited to add: the Victorville protest is peaceful. Rumors are what is closing down things.
      Last edited by DesertBerean; 05-31-2020, 09:08 PM.
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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Because protests tend to not accomplish much and can easily get out of control. They appeal mostly to liberals because it satisfies their need for an emotional response.
        I don't think that's a fair representation of the heroes who do sidewalk counseling at abortion clinics.
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • My town has imposed a curfew of 6 pm - 6 am. There is supposed to be a protest on Main Street at a store area. It's pretty near some major businesses so IDK.

          Prayers for us.
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          • A lot of news is now reporting that the Minnesota police had allowed the "knee-to-neck" restraint technique despite its dangers.

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            • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
              A lot of news is now reporting that the Minnesota police had allowed the "knee-to-neck" restraint technique despite its dangers.
              Then, even more, I call for the Chief to be fired.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ll/5274334002/

                Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/

                George Floyd death: Experts say knee-to-neck restraint is dangerous, but Minneapolis allows it

                The way a Minneapolis police officer restrained George Floyd before he died — placing his knee on Floyd's neck while the man lay on his stomach — is widely discredited by law enforcement experts because it can cause suffocation.

                But the technique is allowed in Minneapolis.

                © Copyright Original Source

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                • This whole situation is just and inducing.

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                  • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ll/5274334002/

                    Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/

                    George Floyd death: Experts say knee-to-neck restraint is dangerous, but Minneapolis allows it

                    The way a Minneapolis police officer restrained George Floyd before he died — placing his knee on Floyd's neck while the man lay on his stomach — is widely discredited by law enforcement experts because it can cause suffocation.

                    But the technique is allowed in Minneapolis.

                    © Copyright Original Source

                    Interesting, because I've seen (mostly retired) police from Minneapolis and St. Paul on TV unequivocally declaring that no such technique has ever been taught. There are techniques where the police place there knee down on someone's shoulders but never on the throat.

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                    • Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                      My town has imposed a curfew of 6 pm - 6 am. There is supposed to be a protest on Main Street at a store area. It's pretty near some major businesses so IDK.

                      Prayers for us.
                      The local Walmart and Kroger have been closing at 5:00 for fear of rioting and if you knew anything about the area in which I live this is jaw-droppingly shocking.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        The local Walmart and Kroger have been closing at 5:00 for fear of rioting and if you knew anything about the area in which I live this is jaw-droppingly shocking.
                        Should it be visible on bodycam recordings of earlier arrests? Though I wonder now if the Minneapolis police are busy deleting those.

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Interesting, because I've seen (mostly retired) police from Minneapolis and St. Paul on TV unequivocally declaring that no such technique has ever been taught. There are techniques where the police place there knee down on someone's shoulders but never on the throat.
                          Or, sometimes they'll put there [sic] knee on the subjects BACK, while they get they're cuffs out and cuff the guy, but once he is cuffed and has stopped fighting, there fight is over. And when multiple officers are standing around, their is no need to keep the guy pinned to the ground.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Could be an instance of a technique that can be done right, but if done wrong kills the person. And I don't think even the people who taught, or used, the knee-to-the-neck technique (if that is what it is called?) would say that it was done right here.

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                            • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                              Could be an instance of a technique that can be done right, but if done wrong kills the person. And I don't think even the people who taught, or used, the knee-to-the-neck technique (if that is what it is called?) would say that it was done right here.
                              The ONLY time it could be even REMOTELY justified would be when the officer is in grave danger, like when the subject took the officer's gun, or has a gun of his own.

                              Think about this, Leon ---

                              The officer is limited to force "such is necessary to effect the arrest". He can get in a lot of trouble going past that, particularly with his own bodycam, and everybody else having phone/cameras.
                              the subject is under no such rules, and, for example, if he is an escaped felon, or just committed a murder, he has no qualms about killing that officer to get away.
                              ADDITIONALLY, many times, the officer has no idea what he's facing until it's over, often in as little as a blink of an eye.

                              ETA: In a struggle, the officer is trying to subdue the subject, and is NOT reaching for his own gun, as he's busy trying to get his handcuffs out --- but the subject will OFTEN try to wrestle the officer's weapon away from him.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                The ONLY time it could be even REMOTELY justified would be when the officer is in grave danger, like when the subject took the officer's gun, or has a gun of his own.

                                Think about this, Leon ---

                                The officer is limited to force "such is necessary to effect the arrest". He can get in a lot of trouble going past that, particularly with his own bodycam, and everybody else having phone/cameras.
                                the subject is under no such rules, and, for example, if he is an escaped felon, or just committed a murder, he has no qualms about killing that officer to get away.
                                ADDITIONALLY, many times, the officer has no idea what he's facing until it's over, often in as little as a blink of an eye.

                                ETA: In a struggle, the officer is trying to subdue the subject, and is NOT reaching for his own gun, as he's busy trying to get his handcuffs out --- but the subject will OFTEN try to wrestle the officer's weapon away from him.
                                Of course the Floyd tragedy in Minneapolis is different. The cop had his knee on his throat for nearly 9 minutes and long after he had obviously lost consciousness.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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