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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Agreed, the protesters, who btw are not all left wingers, are, generally speaking, peaceful demonstrators, and they provide cover for the anti-government anarchists who come in from outside. And those groups vary from what some would call left, or right wing radicals, as well as foreign entities who want to destabilize the country. For Atty Gen Barr to get up there and assert that these outside groups are left wing radicals is just another fabrication which this Administration is known for in their attempt to further divide the country. They're doing a good job at accomplishing that goal.
    Personally I don't think anyone can make the argument that these are somehow orchestrated. It's not like it's happening in a single location, but nationwide, which is further proof to me that economics is overlapping this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    CP do have a source for that? I know there were independent press people at the Ferguson riots saying that the locals were claiming a lot of the rioters weren't from the area, and even cases of antifa doing it to spark violence, but I've never heard of "professional rioters" jumping from city to city in order to riot before.
    Well, the black Minneapolis Police Chief is making that claim, but I guess it could be argued "he's one of them". The public officials -- Leaders say riot damage not caused by Minnesotans are making that claim, but I guess that could be "CYA".

    (FOX 9) - Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said Saturday that a vast majority of the rioters causing destruction are from out of state. Mayor Carter said all of the people arrested in St. Paul overnight were from out of state.

    "This is no longer about protesting, this is about violence," Mayor Frey said. "I want to be clear, the people who are doing this are not Minneapolis residents.”


    Perhaps I erred in using the word "professional" --- I even stopped to try to think of another way to say that these people aren't just peacefully protesting -- they are there to purposely "act out".
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Personally I don't think anyone can make the argument that these are somehow orchestrated. It's not like it's happening in a single location, but nationwide, which is further proof to me that economics is overlapping this situation.
    The allegation is that there are national chapters of groups like Occupy or -- what's the other weird named one? -- who are always ready to send people wherever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Well, the black Minneapolis Police Chief is making that claim, but I guess it could be argued "he's one of them". The public officials -- Leaders say riot damage not caused by Minnesotans are making that claim, but I guess that could be "CYA".

    (FOX 9) - Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said Saturday that a vast majority of the rioters causing destruction are from out of state. Mayor Carter said all of the people arrested in St. Paul overnight were from out of state.

    "This is no longer about protesting, this is about violence," Mayor Frey said. "I want to be clear, the people who are doing this are not Minneapolis residents.”


    Perhaps I erred in using the word "professional" --- I even stopped to try to think of another way to say that these people aren't just peacefully protesting -- they are there to purposely "act out".
    Oh, there are definitely a lot of folks pointing fingers. You have Trump blaming antifa (which is kind of absurd assuming blacks and Hispanics are all members of antifa when in fact they're pretty much white suburban kids), and you have the governor of Minnesota saying white supremacists and cartels are behind it lol. Lots of blame being thrown around, which is understandable since folks don't want the blame to be pointed at them (though I'm not sure where the governor came up with that).



    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The allegation is that there are national chapters of groups like Occupy or -- what's the other weird named one? -- who are always ready to send people wherever.
    Occupy? I haven't heard from them since the Obama days. I definitely believe there are a variety of opportunists. There are criminal opportunists. There are political opportunists. There are folks who just get off on the chaos. But I think it's pretty absurd to think there's a single entity orchestrating all this nationwide. That would require a bit of ECREE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    ...But I think it's pretty absurd to think there's a single entity orchestrating all this nationwide. That would require a bit of ECREE.
    Never said or implied it was a single entity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The allegation is that there are national chapters of groups like Occupy or -- what's the other weird named one? -- who are always ready to send people wherever.
    The Boogaloo Boys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    The Boogaloo Boys?
    I'm not familiar with your friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    The examiner's preliminary report says he was "likely" killed by a combination of factors including the officer's actions.
    Sorry to cut up your post but you're wrong in a number of ways.

    But for the officer's actions Floyd would not have died, regardless of any pre-existing conditions or intoxication. That the hold the officer was applying could result in injury or death should be obvious to any adult human being. By applying such a hold for such a length of time the officer assumed the risk and consequences of an unintended outcome.

    The Fox News reporter in the clip the twitterati linked to said he was "maybe" killed that way.
    No, the FLC bobblehead said that *maybe* he died while the officer had his knee in Floyd's neck. But we know that Floyd's heart stopped at least 2 minutes before the hold was released. So it is false to claim there is a chance that Floyd didn't die until later on.


    I don't know about you but "likely" and "maybe" are close enough considering it's still early in the investigation. So don't get mad at the Fox News reporter for accurately reporting the facts because you got emotionally manipulated by social media.
    The issue I am objecting to is the claim that Floyd did not die while the officer was applying the hold. The evidence we have in front of us says he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It is confusing, but, in effect, the murder charge was for the act that he committed - the murder - and the manslaughter charge is for "his 'culpable negligence' - for what he did not do, in "letting up" after using "such force as is necessary to effect the arrest".

    Still trying to figure out the logic.
    Manslaughter is included as a lessor charge to murder. If jury finds that burden of proof isn’t met for murder then they will have to decide if burden of proof is met manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Manslaughter is included as a lessor charge to murder. If jury finds that burden of proof isn’t met for murder then they will have to decide if burden of proof is met manslaughter.
    Yeah, but usually that isn't charged up front - it's something that's offered to "plead down" to. Then again, them are Yankees, and I really don't know much about how they play the game*.



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