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    No Contact Tracing

    We cannot allow contact tracing to happen.

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    The death of our economy due to coronavirus cannot continue. This is a theft of livelihood of people without compensation.

    The time of the quarantines is over for asymptomatic people. The contact tracing however is based on asympotomatic "cases" and could extend to thousands of people based on one person who tested positive.

    This system requires too much personal data, too much government power. They want to separate parents from their children. The quarantines in California are supposed to be covered under workers compensation, but if there were any privilege granted to the State to this, it would have to be the State that compensates, not the insurance.

    The form of contact tracing would follow models from China and North Korea. It will be easy to ramp up with smart phone apps in the States so that people could not travel unless they use these apps. This means that the government is seeking to restrict or prohibit the right to travel.

    You could be forced to quarantine yourself for 14 days. When this is done, you might go somewhere that they say has put you near someone who is asymptomatic and you go right back into quarantine.

    The coronavirus had not turned out to be as deadly as promised and by no means deserves such an oppressive level of government control.

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    The most frightening part about this pandemic is how quickly liberals have been to relinquish essential liberties in exchange for merely the promise of a little temporary safety. They have deluded themselves into thinking it virtuous to quietly lie on the ground while the government puts its boot on their throat.
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    For those of us who were alive when AIDS first became "a thing", and there was panic being spread about how devastating it would be the the global population, imagine if these same people had suggested "Contact Tracing".
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    My concern about contact tracing isn't that it will lead to government mandated quarantines. I don't think that would ultimately fly in this country. It's that employers would be informed that so and so was in the same vicinity as a patient, and just to be safe, that employee has suddenly been put off the clock for 14 days.

    My own employer made me jump through hoops to return when they found out that a family member of mine had been hospitalized for something totally separate from covid. HR departments aren't playing around right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    My concern about contact tracing isn't that it will lead to government mandated quarantines. I don't think that would ultimately fly in this country.
    Where have you been the last few months? Government mandated quarantines are already flying in this country, and there are some who are in such a state of fear that they have actually welcomed it.
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    Now I heard about ABC saying the quarantines didn't work. This suggests that politicians will be saying that we have to go to contact tracing. Instead of just declaring the government ideas as always based on ignorance or control mechanisms. The claim will probably be made that people did not obey the quarantine -- place the blame on the people rather than the government policies -- that the government is just power hungry or ill-informed.

    Another step of government incompetance is not worthwhile. There is no constitutional power granted to govenors to take away rights. Of course, the companies will tend to follow these restrictions, even just to avoid having to defend their constitutional rights. That is why the Oregon Salon example is so important.

    I forget which state this was in. There is a police officer who spoke against the quarantine and was booted from the police force for going against the governor. However, the purpose of division of powers is that laws made (or governors' edicts) can be nullified first by the lack of enforcement. The next stage is that the someone charged with a crime can have that charge nullified by the juries. Another stage is to push the court decisions through appeals. However, the typical requirement for appeals is that the issues were raised in the trial court.

    One useful step is that the US Supreme Court finds governor actions as unconstitutional and thus null and void from the time the edicts were made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    My concern about contact tracing isn't that it will lead to government mandated quarantines. I don't think that would ultimately fly in this country. It's that employers would be informed that so and so was in the same vicinity as a patient, and just to be safe, that employee has suddenly been put off the clock for 14 days.

    My own employer made me jump through hoops to return when they found out that a family member of mine had been hospitalized for something totally separate from covid. HR departments aren't playing around right now.
    When I speak of government mandated quarantines, it means that the contact trackers can find information that keeps telling you that you have to be quarantined, even when you remain asymptomatic. The employers tend to support the unconstitutional actions just to avoid having to duke it out in court. There is very little distinction between companies fear of lawsuits (by employees or government) and the government defined quarantines once we get into such fear-based policies.

    The contact tracers will be like another branch of government workers (even if being provided by private industry) just like the TSA and Homeland Security. We hardly needed more people working on behalf of the government. One problem now is that the governors' actions have created unemployment, so people will be happy to take these new jobs to steal away our liberties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Where have you been the last few months? Government mandated quarantines are already flying in this country, and there are some who are in such a state of fear that they have actually welcomed it.
    I was sort of conflating a discussion from another website with this one. Over there, the discussion was more along the lines of requiring all phones contain the tracing app and quarantining those in the affected area. My point there was that in countries like Singapore, South Korea, etc., that sort of thing may be more accepted than it would be here.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I was sort of conflating a discussion from another website with this one. Over there, the discussion was more along the lines of requiring all phones contain the tracing app and quarantining those in the affected area. My point there was that in countries like Singapore, South Korea, etc., that sort of thing may be more accepted than it would be here.
    I used to think that, but look how easily the population was cowed.
    Last edited by Mountain Man; 06-01-2020 at 08:25 PM.
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    I haven't looked at the statistics recently, but I was under the impression that countries that did not have widespread quarantines also did not have high numbers of cases because they used contact tracing instead to curb the spread. Am I mistaken?
    Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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