Time For Martial Law...

[Leonhard]

Well I don't know about that but I do believe we created the greatest political principles in human history.

The American Constitution is an excellent document, and showed a lot of progress learned from the French Revolution which inspired your Founding Fathers. The same ideas would eventually, albietly a bit later, penetrate into Europe and Great Britain. USA was a vanguard of this new development.

[seer]

The American Constitution is an excellent document, and showed a lot of progress learned from the French Revolution which inspired your Founding Fathers. The same ideas would eventually, albietly a bit later, penetrate into Europe and Great Britain. USA was a vanguard of this new development.

Leonhard our revolution came before the French revolution...

[Leonhard]

Leonhard our revolution came before the French revolution...

True, now I'm wondering why I thought that, I did know that your Founding Fathers drew heavily from french thinkers at the time, especially Montesquieu. Also of course British thinkers like John Lock. I might have gotten it mixed up.

[seer]

True, now I'm wondering why I thought that, I did know that your Founding Fathers drew heavily from french thinkers at the time, especially Montesquieu. Also of course British thinkers like John Lock. I might have gotten it mixed up.

More from Locke, who grounded rights in the God of the bible. Hence our revolution was grounded in religious principles, theirs wasn't - and we know how that went.

[rogue06]

The American Constitution is an excellent document, and showed a lot of progress learned from the French Revolution which inspired your Founding Fathers.

Declaration of Independence: 1776
U.S. Constitution: 1787
French Revolution: 1789-99


ETA: Okay, I see this was already brought up

[Starlight]

More from Locke, who grounded rights in the God of the bible. Hence our revolution was grounded in religious principles, theirs wasn't - and we know how that went.

Does God in the bible specify rights? I don't recall seeing the right to own guns in my bible, but maybe I had a faulty version?

[firstfloor]

The protesters are trying to tell you something. When you show that you are listening, and understand, and act, the protests will stop.

[seer]

Does God in the bible specify rights? I don't recall seeing the right to own guns in my bible, but maybe I had a faulty version?

They are liberties gleaned from biblical principles. Read John Locke's Second Treatise on government which profoundly influenced the Founders, rights and property rights are grounded in the God of the bible. The Second Amendment is merely a logical extension of those rights in that it helps protect those rights.

[Cow Poke]

Does God in the bible specify rights? I don't recall seeing the right to own guns in my bible, but maybe I had a faulty version?

Nor does the Bible specify the right to launch rockets.

[Faber]

More from Locke, who grounded rights in the God of the bible. Hence our revolution was grounded in religious principles, theirs wasn't - and we know how that went.

My original contention was that the only right God has given us, according to the Bible, is the right to be called the children of God (John 1:12). As far as the American Revolution being grounded in religious principles, the Bible gives us the following:

Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. (Titus 3:1-2, NASB)

Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you. (Hebrews 13:17, NASB)

Or I could give the example of David's attitude toward the evil King Saul:

[seer]

My original contention was that the only right God has given us, according to the Bible, is the right to be called the children of God (John 1:12). As far as the American Revolution being grounded in religious principles, the Bible gives us the following:


Or I could give the example of David's attitude toward the evil King Saul:

Except in a democratic Republic we the people are the governing authority. The elected officials work for us, not the other way around.

[Cow Poke]

Except in a democratic Republic we the people are the governing authority.

Ideally, yes.

The elected officials work for us, not the other way around.

Which is another reason, IMOHBAO, for term limits --- they totally forget that when they get to DC, and the get the idea that their job is to "take care of us", while getting rich in the process.

[Charles]

More from Locke, who grounded rights in the God of the bible. Hence our revolution was grounded in religious principles, theirs wasn't - and we know how that went.

Where, exactly, did he ground those rights in the God of the bible, seer?

[Cow Poke]

Defense Secretary says NO to use of military in riots, NOT wanting to vote the insurrection act.

Let's see if he gets fired.

[Charles]

Defense Secretary says NO to use of military in riots, NOT wanting to vote the insurrection act.

Let's see if he gets fired.

I would not be surprised if he was fired. Seems he is too good and too honest for the Trump administration in this case.

Esper also addressed the killing of Floyd, calling it a "horrible crime" and said "racism is real in America, and we must all do our very best to recognize it, to confront it, and to eradicate it."

"The killing of George Floyd by a Minneapolis policeman is a horrible crime. The officers on the scene that day should be held accountable for his murder. It is a tragedy that we have seen repeat itself too many times. With great sympathy, I want to extend the deepest of condolences to the family and friends of George Floyd from me and the Department. Racism is real in America, and we must all do our very best to recognize it, to confront it, and to eradicate it," he said. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/03/p...sts/index.html